Friday, December 07, 2012
Alternative Retirement Income Streams
CNBC had a fun segment yesterday on the RV people recruited every year by Amazon to work in their distribution centers around the holidays. This particular segment was focused on Fernley, NV and one worker in particular named Jim Melvin who has a blog.
According to his blog he had been working four ten hour days but that was just ramped up to five 11 1/2 hour days. The hourly wage is $12 and the CNBC segment said there was "plenty of overtime." It looks like this is a ten week gig. It appears to be hard work, Jim said he put ten miles in one day (maybe he meant everyday?) so people who do it must be at least moderately fit. Jim seems to not love the work but if I heard correctly this is not his first season doing it and a lot of people want these jobs. As a nice little perk, Amazon pays the rent for the seasonal folks to park their RVs.
This is a tie in to past posts about seasonal work as a way to relieve some of the burden off of the portfolio during retirement--at least during the early years of retirement. Other things that have come up in this context include seasonal work for state and national parks and working for professional sports teams (or more likely the stadiums/arenas where they play). There are of course many more options for people who spend time seeking these options out. Our volunteer fire department has some paid shift work during the fire season which pays about $100 per shift.
It is possible that the question of cutting entitlement benefits for future retirees will soon be put on the table and if not soon then eventually. This will call more attention to various alternative ideas for income stream creation including seasonal work. If Jim averages 45 hours per week at $12 for ten weeks then he might be grossing $5400 but that does not include overtime. Generically speaking if this scenario means two months of not taking money from the portfolio then that is significant in terms of relieving some of the portfolio's burden.
For someone who lives a modest lifestyle this could be meaningful, especially if the social security benefit gets cut in half. If Jim, or someone in a similar situation, has a $600,000 portfolio and can live by the 4% rule then he might only need to take $20,000 out instead of $24,000 or will have some extra money for the one-off fund.
The point is not that everyone should follow Jim's path but that it is important for each of us to find our own paths in case we cannot have a traditional retirement--a traditional retirement seems less likely for more and more of us.
Neither of the first two RVs pictured belong to Jim. The third one is the RV we rented on the South Island of New Zealand last February. We were waiting to go through the Homer Tunnel to get to Milford Sound.
According to his blog he had been working four ten hour days but that was just ramped up to five 11 1/2 hour days. The hourly wage is $12 and the CNBC segment said there was "plenty of overtime." It looks like this is a ten week gig. It appears to be hard work, Jim said he put ten miles in one day (maybe he meant everyday?) so people who do it must be at least moderately fit. Jim seems to not love the work but if I heard correctly this is not his first season doing it and a lot of people want these jobs. As a nice little perk, Amazon pays the rent for the seasonal folks to park their RVs.
This is a tie in to past posts about seasonal work as a way to relieve some of the burden off of the portfolio during retirement--at least during the early years of retirement. Other things that have come up in this context include seasonal work for state and national parks and working for professional sports teams (or more likely the stadiums/arenas where they play). There are of course many more options for people who spend time seeking these options out. Our volunteer fire department has some paid shift work during the fire season which pays about $100 per shift.
It is possible that the question of cutting entitlement benefits for future retirees will soon be put on the table and if not soon then eventually. This will call more attention to various alternative ideas for income stream creation including seasonal work. If Jim averages 45 hours per week at $12 for ten weeks then he might be grossing $5400 but that does not include overtime. Generically speaking if this scenario means two months of not taking money from the portfolio then that is significant in terms of relieving some of the portfolio's burden.
For someone who lives a modest lifestyle this could be meaningful, especially if the social security benefit gets cut in half. If Jim, or someone in a similar situation, has a $600,000 portfolio and can live by the 4% rule then he might only need to take $20,000 out instead of $24,000 or will have some extra money for the one-off fund.
The point is not that everyone should follow Jim's path but that it is important for each of us to find our own paths in case we cannot have a traditional retirement--a traditional retirement seems less likely for more and more of us.
Neither of the first two RVs pictured belong to Jim. The third one is the RV we rented on the South Island of New Zealand last February. We were waiting to go through the Homer Tunnel to get to Milford Sound.
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The Amazon/RV people story comes out once in a while, and it's pretty interesting. They've found people who travel around from Amazon storehouse to Amazon storehouse. There are groups of people who know what work is needed when (in December you want to try the Nevada warehouse, etc.) and the best RV parks. It's a pretty interesting story, but the work is hard and the benefits are not good at all. You literally cannot miss any work, no matter what the problem. So it's also a good story of the ability of corporations to drive salary and benefits down.
Roger,
Do you understand economics?
This should only be a back up plan if bad things happen.
Anyone who chooses to retire from a job paying $25 to $75 per hour to replace it with jobs earning only $12 per hour is crazy.
If you think you need more cushion for bad out comes, one offs or what ever then work an extra year at your high paying job than is needed.
If back breaking part time work is more than a back up plan for unforeseen events, then you need to get investment advice some where else. If part time work is part of the plan then what the heck is your back up plan?
"back breaking part time work", while it can be difficult depending on your health, is often a good way to MAINTAIN your health, both physical and mental.
I'm certainly not going to maintain my current stressful, oncall 24/7 job into retirement. But I can certainly picture myself doing part time work in retirement, whether it's I.T. consulting (most likely) or working at a local mall store during the holidays to get a discount, some pocket money, and enjoy the scenery.
Do you understand the desire that many people have to stop working full time year round upon reaching some age relevant to them?
It is these economics that this post relates to as many people have to balance the desire to stop working full time with the financial reality of not being able to get by just from the portfolio and SS.
The proper context is income supplementation after retiring not people who need to maintain their full preretirement income.
Stephen's point about hard work being a way to stay fit is also noteworthy.
Good comments here. Being retired, I can tell you most of my comtemporaties are bored stiff in retirement so many do these kinds of jobs more as activity rather than extra dough. If you don't have enough dough, the best solution is keep your good job until you do.
Roger, you are reckless to say SS might be cut in half. The facts just do not point in that direction. There needs to be an adjustment. This adjustment can be made with increasing the eligible age most easily per the actuarial tables requirement. Rates can be adjusted as well. The benefit does not need to be cut for anyone.
raising the age is not the same thing as cutting the benefit?
my expectation is some form of means testing such that a large portion of this audience will get little to none.
I would say it is reckless to not plan for a meaningful reduction (does not pertain to current beneficiaries)
8:46 AM poster again
Sorry, but working for $12 per hour is crazy in retirement imo
Start a part time business
back hoe
fixing home networks
painting in side of homes
fixing AC units
maid service
etc - think a little
you can make $25 to $75 an hour depending on what you pick part time working for your self when you want. Working for such a deep discount makes no sense to me.
not everyone will be able to do that
It is difficult to believe your readers are that dumb and that inept that they can not do that, but can manage a retirement portfolio
Given the future of social pensions, anyone ought to be looking at these types of options!
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