Sunday, June 17, 2012
Sunday Morning Coffee
The Barron's cover story took a stab at Social Security and Medicare. The conclusion seemed to be that in a couple of decades the payouts/expenses will exceed the government's revenue unless something changes soon. There was also a pretty good explanation about how the trust fund is a series of IOUs. The article did not offer much in the way of ideas of what to do so much as seeming to support what the Ryan Plan (as in Paul Ryan from Wisconsin) is supposed to do.
Although I have not read the Ryan Plan there was one detail in Barron's that caught my attention in relating that medicare and medicaid would revert to the states. People would get a voucher that would go toward buying private health insurance which seems fine conceptually but that "its value would increase at the rate of GDP growth plus 1%." Hopefully there is more to it than that but as most of us have experienced firsthand, medical-related expenses go up much faster than that.
There was also some detail about the CBO baseline scenario (where it is assumed everything stays as is) and the alternative fiscal scenario which hopefully would be more realistic although Barron's believes that assumptions of future medical cost inflation is too low.
There was one very funny comment from a reader who noted that his senator believes no major changes are needed to which the reader said that "everyone should move to Pennsylvania because Social Security is safe here." Pretty good stuff.
We've gone over this here before, I believe the obvious is some sort of meaningful change to the program as we know it that will upset a lot of people. I have never thought that those in retirement or on the verge will face meaningful change but that people who are now somewhere between 45 and 55 will. It seems as though the situation is worsening slightly, but continuously as time goes on but that is open to debate as is the whole topic I suppose.
I get pushback on my belief that my wife and I will get nothing, our combined benefit would be a little more than $4500 month if we wait until age 70, but I do expect to get means tested down to zero and think it is prudent to plan accordingly.
Unrelated was an editorial in Barron's about a big evolutionary step in college level education. Read the editorial but basically there is network infrastructure whereby most or maybe all classes could be online and free (or much cheaper as time goes on). For now, completion of courses results in certificates not accreditation but the article says that can change.
The give-up of course is the college experience which has come under a lot of fire in the last few years as simply being too expensive of a tradeoff for the cost involved. While I view my college days as priceless, I only graduated with $3000 in debt (San Diego State was very inexpensive in the mid and late 1980s). Facing tens of thousands in debt for an undergrad degree from someplace that is not Harvard or Stanford should cause people to look for alternatives and the concept laid out in the article seems plausible and it was a fascinating read.
Although I have not read the Ryan Plan there was one detail in Barron's that caught my attention in relating that medicare and medicaid would revert to the states. People would get a voucher that would go toward buying private health insurance which seems fine conceptually but that "its value would increase at the rate of GDP growth plus 1%." Hopefully there is more to it than that but as most of us have experienced firsthand, medical-related expenses go up much faster than that.
There was also some detail about the CBO baseline scenario (where it is assumed everything stays as is) and the alternative fiscal scenario which hopefully would be more realistic although Barron's believes that assumptions of future medical cost inflation is too low.
There was one very funny comment from a reader who noted that his senator believes no major changes are needed to which the reader said that "everyone should move to Pennsylvania because Social Security is safe here." Pretty good stuff.
We've gone over this here before, I believe the obvious is some sort of meaningful change to the program as we know it that will upset a lot of people. I have never thought that those in retirement or on the verge will face meaningful change but that people who are now somewhere between 45 and 55 will. It seems as though the situation is worsening slightly, but continuously as time goes on but that is open to debate as is the whole topic I suppose.
I get pushback on my belief that my wife and I will get nothing, our combined benefit would be a little more than $4500 month if we wait until age 70, but I do expect to get means tested down to zero and think it is prudent to plan accordingly.
Unrelated was an editorial in Barron's about a big evolutionary step in college level education. Read the editorial but basically there is network infrastructure whereby most or maybe all classes could be online and free (or much cheaper as time goes on). For now, completion of courses results in certificates not accreditation but the article says that can change.
The give-up of course is the college experience which has come under a lot of fire in the last few years as simply being too expensive of a tradeoff for the cost involved. While I view my college days as priceless, I only graduated with $3000 in debt (San Diego State was very inexpensive in the mid and late 1980s). Facing tens of thousands in debt for an undergrad degree from someplace that is not Harvard or Stanford should cause people to look for alternatives and the concept laid out in the article seems plausible and it was a fascinating read.
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Thanks, Roger. I'm a Barron's subscriber and most likely, I'll skip the cover story. It's gotten to be a waste of time to keep rehashing the obvious, without any leadership on the issue. It would be refreshing to read an expose on innovative approaches to solve the entitlement problems, but none seem to be forthcoming.
Hate to say it but the Barron's article contributes nothing.
It should make us all sad that SS & Medicare, the two programs that affect virtually all of the voters, are not central to the elections this fall. With only a few months remaining, there is NO discussions of solutions. Again, the problems are obvious, it is the solutions that are disgustingly lacking.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
-- Benjamin Franklin
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."
-- Alexis de Tocqueville - this quote is also attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler
Hope we are not at the point described by these 2 philosophers, but I fear we may be.
Attempting to demote the special US Treasury bonds to the status of "IOU" is a dead giveaway the person either doesn't doesn't have a clue what they are talking about or they are trying to bamboozle their audience. If the "full faith and credit" issues in the various trust accounts are "just IOU's" then, eo ipso, so is every Treasury note in your portfolio and every dollar bill in your pocket; every single, gd one.
Now before those knees start jerking please do attempt to think about that for awhile and then use your Barrons for its more appropriate duty in lining bird cages, puppy poop boxes and wrapping the fish heads.
NB on those quotes:
Benjamin Franklin may have said something similar to the attributed quote but he had considerably more to say on the subject including his worry that powerful interests or ideologies -- referred to as factions in those days -- could suborn or corrupt enough citizens that they might be persuaded to then vote against their own best interests or even their own enslavement.
as to the de Tocqueville quote, he never wrote or said anything like that. He certainly expressed concern that America might one day allow the kind of concentration of wealth into a small number of hands that led to Europe's stagnation but that is a different matter. The quote may not be Tytler's (AKA Lord Woodhouselee) either; see http://www.lorencollins.net/tytler.html
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