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Friday, April 27, 2012

Holding Stocks Long Term

Yesterday I did a conference call with AdvisorShares that covered a lot of ground including a reason or two to try to hold stocks (or funds) for the long term. In related news client holding Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) hiked its dividend for the 50th year in a row.

In yesterday's call there were questions about our performance and the context of a call like that allows for specific numbers (the blog does not because it makes a blog post an advertisement which needs approval) and so I made a couple of references to things we have held for years.

Although not mentioned on the call we owned JNJ as far back as when the portfolio's performance started being tracked in 2004. Since then JNJ has paid 31 dividends (I believe the clock on the portfolio starts in August 2004) totaling $13.57. On a price basis JNJ has trailed the S&P 500 by about 15 percentage points. The dividends add another 25 percentage points on to the JNJ result. After factoring in the the SPX yield it is probably close to a push. I would note that the same study done on December 31, 2011 would probably have JNJ noticeably ahead as the stock is flat this year versus an 11% gain for the market.

The stock has not been a huge winner but the yield clearly helps the total return and the relatively low volatility helps with smoothing out the ride.

Another example with a more noticeable difference is Statoil (STO) versus the Energy SPDR (XLE). We've owned STO for almost seven and half years. In that time it has outperformed XLE modestly, by about 6%. Since we've owned STO we have collected $9.74 in dividends which adds 68% to the return in that time. XLE has paid $5.51 in that same time which works out to adding 15% in returns. As a note, the $9.74 includes $1.21 which is being reported by dividend.com at the 2012 payout).

Finally an example where dividends are not the story (as a note I believe in trying to build an above market yield into the portfolio but I do not believe in any version of investing in only dividend payers). We've owned Nike (NKE) for about six years. Since June 30, 2006 Nike is up 162% versus a 12% gain for the S&P 500 (we shaved down the position along the way to rebalance but still own the name).

The point here is that over any six or 12 month time frame any of these stocks can and have lagged the broad market, their respective sector or both but over the many years that they have been held there has been some serious value added. It is important to be cognizant that any great story or long term track record can change but two of the names are clear and away household names that are easy to access and understand. I may have been a relatively early adopter on STO but as the largest company by far in what is probably the healthiest developed economy in the world it was not going to be a secret for very long.

In the past I've mentioned buying and hoping to hold forever. For now, the three above make that list. I've mentioned that Bank Of America (BAC) was on that list until they bought Merrill Lynch after the Lehman weekend. If your goal really is to simply have enough money when you need it then I think time frames noted above make this easier to achieve.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Listened to the call and you remained the calm, competent manager your blog has revealed. Having said that, in your blog/the street you have had advice for people about buying into "new" issue ETFs. Is it fair to ask for your advice for the soon to be issued RRGR? I am thinking along the lines of letting an issue "settle" before buying in, bench marks etc.

Roger Nusbaum said...

thanks for the kind word on my demeanor. Not sure if this point came across in the call but we are very restricted on what can be said in print.

In the history of this blog I have disclosed trades with a one or two day lag and I will continue to do so.

Roger Nusbaum said...

Apparently I can expand my answer a little bit.

In buying an actively managed fund you are making some sort of statement that you believe that past performance can continue (yes the boilerplate warns about past performance but are you going to buy fund where the track record has been totally inept?)

This would appear to differ from the intent behind buying an index you are not familiar with or is relatively new.

There are several emerging market infrastructure indexes out there that no one heard of before they became ETFs. There is certainly logic in letting a three month old index show how it will behave before buying.

Anonymous said...

Roger--May I ask if you ever add to a favorite holding on a dip, assuming that the longterm reason for holding it remains intact?

Bummed that I had to miss yesterday's call, but it sounds like it went well.

Thanks very much.

Roger Nusbaum said...

yes we have. here is one example with Statoil that we bought back in October 2008 after having sold some in May of that year.

Justin said...

Very interesting, looking back at the post in October 2008. There was a little blood in the air with the S&P under 900 and we all now how it did after that. It seems since hitting the lows there has been a lot of negative articles and responses online and in the press, yet we've pretty much been in a bull since March '09. And it isn't looking particularly long in the tooth to me, either.

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