Over the years the articles I've read about life expectancy seem to believe that expectancies will increase at an accelerating rate due to medical innovation. When I've mentioned this in the past there have been comments about not wanting to last for years in a frail state needing to be cared for down to the most personal of daily tasks. That is not the context of the work being done in the field.
Obviously it will be a couple of decades or longer before we know whether this holds water and if it does, how much water it holds but we know that people generally are living longer and we know that there will continue to be medical advancement and we will learn more about nutrition and other lifestyle habits that offer the plausible outcome of living well for a longer period of time.
Where this possibility exists it drew one very funny comment about encouraging smoking and repealing motorcycle helmet laws (amusingly helmets are not required in Arizona).
Perhaps with a bit of confirmation bias I believe this supports the idea of social security and medicare looking much different in some number of years (ten? 20?). For many years I have been saying that the programs as we know them are not sustainable. I think that whenever things actually hit the fan we will look back and unsustainability will have been obvious like the way we look back on the tech wreck and the financial crisis (hindsight bias).
Not being an actuary or demographer I certainly have no idea how far down the net worth/income scale that benefit cuts will come but a lot of people relying on social security will have a serious and unfortunate situation befall them which of course is not only a micro problem but will also be a big macro problem.
I tend to believe that plenty of people will figure ways to get by without being homeless even if it is difficult, involves a lot of sacrifice and taking some sort of job that they view as undesirable. There will still be a lot of problems on the personal economic front but individual problem solving is worth something.
Individual problem solving is what living below your means (something I've written about
Also if the scenario of making more plays out for you for a while but then derails (through no fault of your own--I hate that saying) then you obviously have an easier time covering your monthly expenses either through savings or getting a job at Home Depot or the like. You can cover a decent portion of a $2000-$3000 monthly nut compared to $8000 in expenses with a $10/hour job until the career gets back on track. I speak from experience here. During the year before I started at Your Source I helped put a roof on a garage, helped build a rock well and did some logging among other things to supplement the income that went with only having a couple investment management clients.
On a lighter note, the pictures are a before and after of Smitty, a dog who was dumped on Walker Road. I was on my way to administer a pack test (three miles wearing a 45lb pack with a 45 minute time limit) for three of our firefighters and I saw him on the road. I could not get him to come to me and had to go so I called Joellyn and she and Wiley (one of our dogs) were able to get him into the car in about 30 seconds. We are now fostering him but will not be keeping him.







8 comments:
"For many years I have been saying that the programs as we know them are not sustainable." Roger: No matter how many times you repeat this over the years, regarding Social Security, your statement is not backed up by the facts. However, it is your blog, so I guess you can keep on keeping on.
Roger:
In the US many expect the life expectancy to decrease as the obesity rates increase. Unfortunately the cost of dealing with the obesity epidemic in America will be high.
Cynthia
Obesity is a legit threat to the thesis I laid about. We'll see if the average life expectancy starts to turn down at some point or if somehow we innovate around the problem. Better yet, maybe we'll get healthier and more fit??
A couple of notes:
"Everybody wants to live long but nobody wants to be old". A conumbrum for sure.
In states that don't have helmet laws motorcycles are referred to as "donorcycles" in the medical community.
Social security will have to change as the bulge (boomers) in the distribution of population retires, and it will likely mean working longer to qualify for social security, an increase in the retirement age, means testing, and decreases in payments to those who haven't worked enough to qualify. There will be no quick fix, just a gradual tightening of the qualifying criteria.
What's the old gibe, there are lies, damned lies and statistics?
In this case a little disaggregation between the top half of the income ladder and the bottom half clears the misconception that the total increase in average life expectancy creates.
It tells us the average life expectancy of the bottom half of wage earners has barely budged (it has actually gone down slightly for some occupations) while the top half has increased dramatically.
That has some serious implications for policy, implications that are very different from policies that might appear reasonable given the aggregate statistic alone.
Cute pup.
WTSHTF life expectancy will go down. See the USSR.
The life expectancy is going up not so much because of end of life medical technology, but due to better child care and lack of wars. When life expectancies were in the 50s and 60s, people actually lived long lives if they could make it to 25. A large percentage died within the first five years of life or in early adulthood due to wars.
I actually think our diet of processed foods and exposure to radio waves (think cell phones) will keep many from reaching ripe old ages, but more people will live to see social security than did in previous generations.
As far as Anon 530 - he or she needs to get the facts. At best, SS will be able to pay 75% of the benefits by 2040. This was the projection before the 2008 mess hit.
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