Reuters reported that Newt (turns out they meant Gingrich not the character from Lonesome Dove) is in favor of privatized Social Security for younger workers although there was no mention of a specific age.Gingrich would be on board with giving people a choice of whether to participate or not and if participating how to allocate between stocks and bonds which he thinks would offer a chance at 7% annual returns.
This issue makes for a great debate because it is something that people can relate to and more than other issues it really is an intersection between ideology and reality.
The ideology is the sort of Libertarian view of having less government in our lives, having the chance to succeed or fail and own the consequences. I would sign up in a heartbeat, I love the concept for top down reasons of starting to relieve the burden placed on the country and from the bottom up in the belief that I can get a better result than the government would.
The reality is the 401k litmus test. We've probably all heard about the research that concluded that (as of a few years ago) the stock market averaged 10% per year, actively managed mutual funds averaged 8% (the fees) and mutual fund holders averaged about 4% (poor decision making). I remember this coming from T Rowe Price but I believe there have been several papers concluding about the same numbers. Numbers for 401k plans are also quite poor, likely to be worse as the 401k population takes in people who would otherwise not participate and so are not likely inclined to try to learn about markets and investing.
Part of the equation here could be education of course. If it were done correctly it could be reasonably cheap and effective where the goal would be basic literacy. Unfortunately I think the lack of interest thing would be a hindrance to this working as it would take in an even larger percentage of people who are otherwise not interested. Maybe there should be a competency test to go with education although that would increase the expense and I wonder if it would be unconstitutional somehow.
As a practical matter I think this would fail on a colossal scale and would lead to even more of the "personal bailouts" I mentioned a couple of weeks ago which might be more costly than what we have know unless the country is really prepared to turn its back on someone who tried this and was wiped out.
I will repeat my idea which would address a small slice of the problem which is to remove IRA and 401k contribution limits, allow for writing off whatever amount someone contributes but still collect the full $16,000 (round number) FICA withholding and people participating would get no benefit. Yes it would benefit the well to do but this section of the population is less likely to need the money, could save more on their own but still pay in full boat. I'd do this in a heartbeat too.





7 comments:
I theory Newt's plan sounds great, but unfortunately, the track record of real life investment returns in 401(k) plans is dismal. Buying when the news is good and when it feels easy and selling during times of fear and panic have done in many investors.
I'm afraid the results will be the same.
Roger,
I really think it comes down to the role of government. I certainly see that 401(k) results have been atrocious. However, is it the role of the government to take care of us, cradle to grave. And, at what point, does the government go too far. Is mandating a diet or forcing medical procedures on us justified if it is in our "best interests."
Ultimately, I believe people will do what is in their best interest. It is in our nature. While 401(k) results have been subpar, we really only have one generation of results for that program. The boomers were still tied to parents who got a pension. Somehow they had a misconception that SS and meager savings will suffice. As an hourly planner, I find the Gen X and even Y are really looking at asset allocation for 401(k) plans. They understand it is on their shoulders for retirement. Most assume they won't get SS.
Finally, I think this period in history is showing folks that the government is not adept at running programs for the betterment of its citizens. As bad as the debt situation is today, it is miniscule compared to the unfunded liabilities that lie ahead.
So I understand your hesitancy about eliminating SS based on today's reality, but I think that is changing with younger generations.
Roger and others, how have other countries which invest their version of SS into the stock markets fared? Poland and Chili come to mind; but those may not be right.
Kirk, I hope you're right.
9:02 Yes on Chile, I don't know about Poland, I think Austria has something similar. I am not sure if Aussies contribute (along with the government) to the super annuation fund.
having my retirement account in my name at my choice of vendor and i have the choice of bonds, treasuries, cd's/bank savings accounts or even stock is of great value. imagine working and your retirement money goes in a pension that either a state or private company does not have enough to pay you.
Happy Thanksgiven!
Jeff From Milan, Italy
thank you Jeff!
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