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Tuesday, November 15, 2011

Is It Really That Bad?

A friend passed along a link to an article at Smart Money called 10 Things Baby Boomers Won't Say and it was profoundly negative.

The list included

"Make room kids, we'll be living with you when we're old"

"and we blame you for that"

"We can't face reality"

"We're unhappy ..."

"... and we eat our feelings"

"We will bury you in debt"

Reading the list I am reminded of a quote from our friend Bill up here in Walker that I have mentioned before. Bill said "you can figure it out now or you can figure it out later but if you can figure it now you'll be a lot happier."

A lot of things on the list would seem to relate to how people make life choices and figure things out for themselves. Part of this might be learning from their own mistakes which can be a great way to learn. We all know people in their 20s who have a lot of things figured out and we all know people in their 50s (maybe older?) who are clueless.

The notion of multiple generations under one roof is not new, it was somewhat prevalent many decades ago and anecdotally appears to be on the rise due to the recent state of the economy. Michael Panzner used to write about this a lot and while I've never agreed with him on the magnitude of troubles he sees coming he was early to see this trend. Naturally this sort of living arrangement will create various forms of resentment because of the proximity. I remember a bit on CNBC earlier in the fall about new home construction catering to the need for multigenerational cohabitation.

Not facing reality is a big problem in terms of required savings rates, investment performance, safe withdrawal rates, reasonable lifestyles expense-wise and several other issues. This is behavioral and while retraining would be a huge obstacle it doesn't have to be impossible.

I doubt that the baby boomers have the market cornered on unhappiness and obesity. Eliminating related psychological issues and physical maladies these are tough things to overcome. I am happy and try to stay fit and I realize saying "you should do the same" is wildly empty but I think it is ok to make a priority out of trying to make improvements here.

The debt comment seems to be at the societal level as in the country's debt is huge a growing.

The list dwells on various types of short comings that people have or think they have. To the extent the list will create financial desperation on the part of some portion of the population it raises the idea of needing your portfolio to generate some amount of income--placing more of a burden on the portfolio. The greater the need the greater potential for taking reckless risks in order to generate some withdrawal rate that exceeds safe or taking reckless risks to make up for some sort of large decline.

This does happen and has tragic outcome written all over it. Obviously a big focus on related posts here has been about how to avoid being in this sort of predicament. My thoughts on the best way to do this have always included saving more, spending less, living below your means and figuring out how to monetize some activity you enjoy doing and would otherwise do for free--reducing the burden on the portfolio.

I'm headed out Maryland this morning for a quick ETF-related meeting tomorrow and returning back to Arizona on Thursday.

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

I have read at least three blogs in the past week that in effect say it's all Baby Boomer's fault; they're selfish and we need to cut their entitlements or the country will go bankrupt. The same people that decry class warfare are encouraging age warfare. That will make for an interesting political battle.

Multigenerational living in one dwelling is hardly new, and I would even say it's always been fairly common. I have relatives that spent their entire lives that way. Many of the larger homes in our 20-year old development were bought just to have enough room for aging parents. But up to now, its not something you would brag about.
Rich

Anonymous said...

Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be--
Abraham Lincoln

It takes a village---Hillary Clinton

Max said...

I disagree with #2. Many of my boomer friends, myself included, are supporting adult age children and our grandchildren. My single parent daughter and grandson live with us. As much as I dearly love both of them, this is not how I envisioned my retirement.

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Are you trying to tell me all those people who took out those second mortgage offers that came in the mail promising to loan up to 125% of the value of their home and maxed out their credit cards and took on 7 or 8 year new car loans are having second thoughts?

But I clearly remember them telling me I was wrong when I paid off my house and was stupid when I avoided those zero interest loans for the first 18 months.

BTW the it takes a village people are the ones who want to steal money from the savers and give it to the irresponsible borrowers I mentioned above.

Anonymous said...

Banks are running scared.

I got a new cc from citi with a $5k credit line. I have no debt and excellent credit so I asked the to raise it to $10k. They said no. I understand.

I told the about another citi card I had that I do not use with a $13k credit limit. I said could you close that account and then raise my new card to $10k. They said no.

I said I am asking you to reduce my over all credit limit by $8k. They said let me put you on hold. Then they eventually said no.

They were not thinking when they were giving loans to people who could never pay them back. Now they are not thinking in handling of accounts of people who can pay them back.

I think this is going to be one LOOOOOOONG debt restructuring we live through.

Max said...

This from another site today on boomer retirees:

The baby boom generation is feeling even less confident about their “retirement” years than they did seven months ago.

A poll of Americans age 47-65 by The Associated Press and LifeGoesStrong.com found the following...

Last spring, 67% of boomers said they planned to work after “retirement.” Now, it’s 73%
Also last spring, 44% said they were not confident they could afford a comfortable retirement. Now it’s a solid majority of 53%.
40% said they would rely heavily on Social Security in their “golden years.” Now it’s 45%.

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