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Tuesday, October 04, 2011

Market Update

"Wall Street took it on the chin, Monday." Any Simpsons aficionados know whether Kent Brockman ever said that on an episode? It seems like something he would say. I'm just trying to have a little fun and despite the graphic in the picture it is not time to panic.

Several times over the last couple of years after a nice little pop I commented along the lines that if you were freaked out and bargaining with yourself at SPX 700 or SPX 800 that you should take advantage of the (then) recent lift to sell some stock.

The idea back then was to envision, or better yet remember, your psychology from a past fast decline in order to avoid in a future fast decline like we are having now. I recently commented that at 1500 everyone knows the market goes down every now and then and everyone can tolerate the volatility. It becomes a different story a couple of hundred points lower but I would say it does not have to be if you have the right asset allocation.

We have current news about serious problems in Europe, with US banks, with a legacy airline and with an almost obsolete company (Kodak). What is your exposure there? Fortunately we have no ground zero exposure. We own things that are down a lot of course. Stock are arguably well along the road of pricing in a recession which means industrial and energy companies get hit hard.

I had a conversation over the weekend with someone who has a large position in a very cyclical stock and of course that stock is down a lot like many very cyclical stocks. I know a little something about the stock and made the observation that it seems to go down more than the market on the way down and then go up more than the market on the way up which was his observation too.

This is an important concept. The person knows ahead of time that if the market drops a lot, then this one name is very likely to go down more. I expect the very same thing with all of the cyclical stocks we own. I expect the defensive names will go down less and then go up less. Generally this is how it works and it is foreseeable. This is not about predicting what the stock market will do it is about understanding what your portfolio is likely to do if the market goes down or if it goes up.

When the above is combined with a little time spent figuring out what to avoid, financials and Europe may turn out to be the easiest avoids of our lifetimes, then you should be in position to endure this reasonably well. I've disclosed many time before that we own Nike (NKE). The company appears to be doing very well but the stock is still down. If a company is executing well even if the market is down then there is probably no reason to worry about it as a going concern.

I disclosed selling Caterpillar (CAT) earlier this year in the belief that we were headed into a recession and that heavy cyclicals get crushed during recessions. If this is a recession and bear market then I would expect CAT to bottom out with a about a 50% decline from its peak for the simple reason that this is what it has done time after time.

It is great when you can trade around that sort of decline but if you don't then you can take solace that most companies will come back and go on to new highs. CAT will go to $130 at some point even if it gets there by way of $60. This is not "permanent impairment of capital" although some of these financial stocks might be.

One last point to reiterate is that if you took defensive action along the way (we made several sales earlier on that I disclosed here) then you are probably thinking you should have taken more on a day like yesterday and if we close the week at SPX 1200 you will think you took too much defensive action. No one will trade this perfectly, but I would say if you can smooth it out some then you were successful. SPX 1200 by Friday might seem crazy but with the recent volatility it is not impossible. That is not a prediction and it would not be a sign of health either.

8 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is for Roger and any who wish to input.

Asia, Latin America, and Europe preceded the US in the bear selloff. So at least some of them should be first to bounce back.

What are you going to looking for as indicators that this downtrend may be ending?

Where you might add industrials back, or add to the aforementioned markets?

Since nearly everyone one the planet was 100% cash during 2008 and "loaded up the boat" or "backed up the truck" with stocks the EXACT week of the last bottom in March '09...

Roger Nusbaum said...

the answer here changes with time. so far it is early and I am less inclined to give the benefit of the doubt in terms of buying. Six months from now would be a different story, I would be more favorably disposed. It really depends on what the market gives but at some point I would start buying little bits here and there. I'll share that on the blog.

Anonymous said...

One of the best quotes I have seen recently was: I would rather be out of this market wishing I was in, then in this market wishing I was out.

My fear is that this is the final nail in the coffin for the investor class. They may pull out and never get back in. Would that mean they we go the way of Japan and are permanently depressed?

Roger Nusbaum said...

in terms of direction, there is merit to the Japan comparison but I think the magnitude would be far less severe.

Anonymous said...

Roger, what are your cash levels at now? because if you don't have more than 50% cash you ARE in.

The dirty little secret is that most market sages/bloggers/strategists underperform the index is because they have to make a move during times like now because inaction means they will get money taken away.

Anonymous said...

Chairman Ben was unusually halting in his speech patterns today during the Senate Hearing and appeared easily distracted.Is it he knows that he has nothing left to offer? He really seemed stressed.

Then again, if I had to put up with the likes of Bernie Sanders (Socialist, VT) and his antics....

T

Anonymous said...

To answer Anon at 6:22
For what it's worth (maybe not so much) big declines seem to have two or three washouts before the final low. Real washouts take months to generate. I ignore any decline less than 10-15%. In an ideal world I would buy heavily on the third precipitous decline on a big upside reversal day (or on the retest 2-4 days later) and take my chances if I'm wrong that eventually I'll get bailed out. In reality I sold a bit in 2006-2007, held on to the rest, started buying more after Lehman, and kept buying until Jan 2009, when I psychologically ran out of cash. It worked a lot better in 2002-2003 :)

If Roger runs his portfolio at 75/50 (up market performance to down market performance), I try for 150/125, or at least I did up until 2009 when I retired. But you have to live with substantial volatility.

Be advised this strategy will likely get creamed if we go down Japan's path, and I'm starting to review alternative ideas. But my regret for missing a move is larger than my pain of suffering a loss.
Rich

Anonymous said...

bears? time to panic? Is this the bottom?

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