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Monday, August 08, 2011

Are You an Investor or a Trader?

Over the weekend a reader left a comment on the Seeking Alpha version of an old post that mentioned Adecoagro (AGRO) in passing. AGRO is the Latam farming stock that recently went public. George Soros has been involved with the name. It is as interesting as any farming stock in terms of geography and breadth of products but it is still a Latin American farming stock.

The reader's comment expressed frustration at the performance noting that it started out doing ok but has since done poorly to which the reader attributes Soros selling the stock. I was not able to find news of an actual sale just a guess that he might sell as he gets out of the hedge fund business. As I understand it only a small portion of the hedge fund is not his own money so he may not in fact be a seller but we'll see.

Specifically he said it has gone to hell since he sold at a small gain. AGRO is in a theme that I care about and so I keep some tabs on the stock (not very close but somewhat) but the comment left me thinking maybe I missed something so I took a peek at it and in the last month (per Google Finance) it is down 14.56% compared to 13.43% for the iShares Latin American 40 ETF (ILF). For three months there is a two basis point difference between the two.

There was a stretch in there in late May where AGRO dramatically outperformed ILF and from that high water mark AGRO is down 21% versus 13% for ILF. I suspect that the reader is anchoring to that high water price and so in that case the stock has been a disappointment but other than that two or three week stretch in late May to early June the stock has not really stood out much either way.

It seems like there are several behavioral things going on with the reader's frustration which is the point of this post. Anchoring to some past stock price or portfolio value is a common behavior that unfortunately is unproductive.

Based on the limited information in the comment it actually seems like he got out at a decent price. If he is a trader then he was successful. For someone who is an investor in something like this (applies to any other long term theme) it is crucial to realize that something like farming cannot prove out right or wrong in a few months. It is possible that these things should be traded along the way or maybe half sold after a big move or something like that but great companies in an important theme will not always be top performers.

If you are buying a theme you probably need to have some sort of expectation that results from your research. If you think it will take five years for China's equity market to start doing really well again then getting impatient after three months doesn't make much sense. This is not to say that some stock in a theme can't turn out to be a bad pick for some reason that should be sold but if you buy a uranium stock that drops 16% when everything else in the group drops 14% you haven't made a horrible pick even if you are frustrated by that result.

It should also be clear, and more specific to the reader's gripe, that important themes should not be expected to be immune from some sort of global freak out. Over the last month this space in the market is down and AGRO's drop appears to be right in line. If what is going on in the market right now turns out to be really bad it will not change the long term prospects for certain specialized themes but stocks in those themes will go down with the market all the same.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

I think another lesson here is that just because a famous investor is known to have bought or sold a stock is not sufficient reason for me to buy or sell a stock. That seems obvious but I have the idea that many will try to follow what famous investors or successful mutual funds do. Seeking Alpha often has articles such as "John Doe's 12 favorite stocks". Public reports give what John Doe bought months ago. He may have sold. He may also be wrong or be investing in something I can't follow or know enough about...etc.

Roger Nusbaum said...

i agree, the number of articles like you mention is very high and I bet people do buy off of them

Anonymous said...

Hi Roger:

Looks like the Fisher indicator and the 200 day coming together was the right call to get defensive. Unbelievably, as in 2008 Fisher again has not followed his own advice and appears to be all in long (of course it is too soon to pass judgement whether he will be right this time or not..) but I digress...the real reason I am writing this is to ask how you get shorter (or more hedged) as the market drops...I seem to recall you alluded to increasing your hedge as the market goes lower...is this because your SDS (or whatever you use) becomes a larger part of your portfolio, or is it because you actually buy more of it (or both),,if you buy more , I was wondering if you would care to share the process as you have with the first hedge purchase below the 200 day SMA..if not , I understand.
BEst, Andrew

Roger Nusbaum said...

Andrew I think I disclosed selling CAT as an initial trade and I disclosed a second sale early Friday morning although did not mention the name it was CME. Getting out of australia a couple of months ago may or may not be considered part of our defensive strategy depending on how one looks at it.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Roger...

man these "corrections" can be brutal

Wonder if they take down BAC which then needs TARP next or if they downgrade France which European banks will fail

At these times it is good to listen to mom: "don't get sick over it, b/c the market always recovers but there is a chance you will still be sick"

:)

Anonymous said...

I just don't understand your execution of your themes, which I think are usually dead on.

But you seem to constantly write about thinly traded and illiquid (to me anyway) stocks.

How's that Marine Harvest position? Down about 50%? How long do you hold onto these - that's a long way to come back from, even over a whole cycle.

Roger Nusbaum said...

i thought i disclosed selling about half pretty close to the high so that was a good trade. i bought back in after a large decline but then it dropped more so not so good for now.

in this environment there are plenty that are down a lot, as I have written about incessantly, I place more importance on defensive action at the portfolio level which I have implemented to a degree and yes in hindsight defensive action should be taken in the thing that goes down the most.

Anonymous said...

Oh, goody. After failing to address the budget deficit his first 2 1/2 years in office and failing to comment on the S & P credit downgrade last Friday to go play at Camp David over the weekend, the Incompetent in Chief is about to make an announcement.

Anonymous said...

Let's hope it is his resignation announcement. Time to let Joe fix things.

Anonymous said...

agro only down 1.5% on average volume in today's morass, not so bad.

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