Wednesday, July 06, 2011
"Can Stocks Be Safer than Bonds?"
Felix Salmon explores this idea in a post and concludes probably not. I would submit that the way the question is posed and addressed are actually framed incorrectly. If we start by proclaiming that bonds are safer than stocks then you'd probably get a lot of shrugs of acceptance. Invoking Karl Popper; it only take one result to refute the theory. I don't think I would get too much push back if I proclaimed that client holding Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) is safer than two year Greek sovereign debt.
Depending on where you look in the bond market you will find issues that are both "safer" and "less safe" than equities. Similarly, depending on where you look in the equity market you will find issues that are both "safer" and "less safe" than bonds.
Once an investor moves past the building block level of learning about investing, the word safe simply becomes the wrong word. Volatility might be a better way to think of it but even that may not be sufficient.
Investors, as opposed to traders, hope for different things from equities versus bonds. With equities investors want to see a combination of price appreciation, dividends and dividend growth with the realization that the trade off should be some amount of risk and volatility. With bonds most investors are looking for a steady interest payment and little to no price volatility. Hopefully the unvolatile bonds will provide some ballast against the "normal" volatility of equities. The ability of a company to make its interest payments will not reasonably be affected if the company earns $0.71 versus an expectation of $0.74 although such a report might hit the equity price very hard.
We know that equities can be either attractively priced or unattractively priced (or fairly prices too). If a bond is unattractively priced at the moment then it should be expected to have more threat of risk or more correctly volatility than something that is attractively priced. Consider a corporate bond due in ten years. If, as a simplistic example, ten year treasury yields are close to all time lows (which they are) and the spread of that corporate bond over the ten year is historically low then the bond is not attractively priced; it is relatively high in price.
This particular bond may stay expensive for a long time or not but it is still expensive, a buyer is buying high. The consequence for this would be a large price decline in the bond if rates go up thus creating volatility in the portfolio. Yes the investor gets his money back at maturity but large price declines tend to cause people to panic sell.
The contrast can be buying equities when they are cheap or thought of differently, after they have gone down a lot. Equities that are already down a lot might go down more of course but the risk of further declines decreases the more the market drops.
Buying something that is expensive is not universally bad as anything that is now expensive can become more expensive and it works the same way with things that are now cheap getting cheaper. Buying a US ten year treasury a few months ago with a 3.4% yield was buying high based in historical standards but turned into a pretty good trade when yields went to 2.9% a week or two ago but I'm not sure it could be considered safe.
Part of Felix' post was a response to a reader who appeared to be making the case for dividend stocks as a proxy for bonds. The argument has never made a lick of sense to me. That JNJ might yield more than a US treasury is not an argument for one over the other even if it is an argument for JNJ to be cheap or for treasuries to be expensive. They have different characteristics and should deliver different things to a diversified portfolio. Echoing a point that Felix made, if JNJ has some sort of problem far worse than what has happened over the last year and the dividend is cut I have no doubt the stock would go dwarf star with no guarantee of a return to the high watermark. If interest rates go from 3% to 6% over night then a ten year note would probably drop about 25% in price simply creating the likelihood of having to wait until maturity to get back the investment but they would get it back in nominal terms.
Depending on where you look in the bond market you will find issues that are both "safer" and "less safe" than equities. Similarly, depending on where you look in the equity market you will find issues that are both "safer" and "less safe" than bonds.
Once an investor moves past the building block level of learning about investing, the word safe simply becomes the wrong word. Volatility might be a better way to think of it but even that may not be sufficient.
Investors, as opposed to traders, hope for different things from equities versus bonds. With equities investors want to see a combination of price appreciation, dividends and dividend growth with the realization that the trade off should be some amount of risk and volatility. With bonds most investors are looking for a steady interest payment and little to no price volatility. Hopefully the unvolatile bonds will provide some ballast against the "normal" volatility of equities. The ability of a company to make its interest payments will not reasonably be affected if the company earns $0.71 versus an expectation of $0.74 although such a report might hit the equity price very hard.
We know that equities can be either attractively priced or unattractively priced (or fairly prices too). If a bond is unattractively priced at the moment then it should be expected to have more threat of risk or more correctly volatility than something that is attractively priced. Consider a corporate bond due in ten years. If, as a simplistic example, ten year treasury yields are close to all time lows (which they are) and the spread of that corporate bond over the ten year is historically low then the bond is not attractively priced; it is relatively high in price.
This particular bond may stay expensive for a long time or not but it is still expensive, a buyer is buying high. The consequence for this would be a large price decline in the bond if rates go up thus creating volatility in the portfolio. Yes the investor gets his money back at maturity but large price declines tend to cause people to panic sell.
The contrast can be buying equities when they are cheap or thought of differently, after they have gone down a lot. Equities that are already down a lot might go down more of course but the risk of further declines decreases the more the market drops.
Buying something that is expensive is not universally bad as anything that is now expensive can become more expensive and it works the same way with things that are now cheap getting cheaper. Buying a US ten year treasury a few months ago with a 3.4% yield was buying high based in historical standards but turned into a pretty good trade when yields went to 2.9% a week or two ago but I'm not sure it could be considered safe.
Part of Felix' post was a response to a reader who appeared to be making the case for dividend stocks as a proxy for bonds. The argument has never made a lick of sense to me. That JNJ might yield more than a US treasury is not an argument for one over the other even if it is an argument for JNJ to be cheap or for treasuries to be expensive. They have different characteristics and should deliver different things to a diversified portfolio. Echoing a point that Felix made, if JNJ has some sort of problem far worse than what has happened over the last year and the dividend is cut I have no doubt the stock would go dwarf star with no guarantee of a return to the high watermark. If interest rates go from 3% to 6% over night then a ten year note would probably drop about 25% in price simply creating the likelihood of having to wait until maturity to get back the investment but they would get it back in nominal terms.
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How do you feel treasuries will fare compared with US blue chips such as JNJ should the increase in the debt ceiling not be passed?
JB
From Salmon's quoting of y2kurtus
if the companies are broadly diversified internationally, their stocks should offer decent protection against a plunging currency
Just how true is that?
Some companies balance their assets and debts in foreign countries to negate currency risk and/or may employ foreign currency risk hedging. Such that protection from foreign currency decline risk may be low, but that concentrates currency risk back into US Dollars.
If foreign currency risk is fully hedged and the USD plunged in isolation, then even though the company might have wide foreign exposure, it might not protect you from a significant loss.
Unhedged exposure to a diverse range of currencies in contrast likely would see some up, some down, and overall neutral currency risk. If one currency deep dives then a relatively small (diversified) loss might be endured.
Holding exposure to a diverse range of currencies has a higher probability of a relatively small loss. Whilst a USD only currency exposure has a low risk of a very large loss. 'Diversification' suggests that the more frequent relatively small loss is preferred over a less frequent large loss.
A problem is that companies aren't required to report such currency management practice, so its very difficult to make an informed judgement.
anon, without knowing every lever at the Treasury's disposal or the odds of Obama declaring the ceiling unconstitutional, I don't know.
I do know I'd rather own JNJ.
Clive, imo it is very feasible on a fundamental basis meaning that the business and earning stream very well could protected but none of that has to translate to the stock. We can probably figure which stocks are likely to drop less than the market is down 35% in a down 55% world protection? Some would say yes and some would say no.
Looking at McKesson, which has >90% domestic US business exposure (relatively low 9% foreign business), compared to the Dow and UUP (Dollar Bullish Percentage) between June 2008 and June 2009, I would have expected MCK to not have tracked the the more globally exposed Dow as closely as it did.
That might indicate that the majority of companies generally hedge their foreign business currency risk. Such that if the US did encounter a hyperinflation event (if that's possible?), holding stocks with 'diverse foreign business exposure' might not provide the protection that some might believe it would.
QE of $2T, as I understand it, involved the Fed selling short end and buying longer dated. Yields decline (prices rise) and they pocket the spread.
If they start selling the longer dated to cover maturing shorter dated (start quantitative tightening), then yields rise, prices fall and they make some capital gains whilst lowering the debt back down below <$14T debt ceiling levels.
Then they might start QE again ... buying low, selling high and capturing some yield spread in the process.
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