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Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Interesting Comment Thread

The Seeking Alpha version of my post over the weekend about the US' standing as an investment destination drew a couple of (for lack of a better phrase) anti-emerging-market-investing comments which was surprising and interesting given that I never said "emerging markets" in the original post.

One bit of context is that I believe the term emerging markets has lost most if not all of its meaning. All countries have their positive attributes and their vulnerabilities and good diversification means blending different attributes together in such a way as expectations are favored but without being overly exposed to some negative event--for example if all you own are commodity based countries you will get pasted during the occasional commodity price correction.

One interesting thing is that there is a tone that I am too bearish on the US. Two years ago I was too bullish yet my thesis has been the same the whole time, actually it has been the same since before the financial crisis started.

As I quick recap I have felt that taking in the entire fundamental story, the US will be a less compelling investment destination. I have never been in the Armageddon/dollar going to zero/hyperinflation/complete tearing of the social fabric camp. The headwinds that have come and will continue to come will, IMO, result in equity market growth that is below "normal" when looked at over a period of many years. If we used to get 10% average annual return, I think it will be something like 3-5% over the next ten years. As I said, this has been my base case for a long time.

It is not clear whether this little bit of anti-emerging sentiment (there have also been outflows from funds) is simply because of the lag coming out of the gate in 2011 or something else but in those comments there seemed to be a lack of acknowledgment of what has happened over the last ten years with emerging versus the US. Clearly it would be a mistake to simply extrapolate but if you can buy into the idea of looking at history and combining that with what appears to be happening today to make a forward looking analysis then I think the space in question merits a decent position.

As time goes on I become more convinced of the importance of investing for a stock market cycle (or longer)--this really is an on your own mat issue. Over the last five and ten years many of the markets in question here have dramatically outperformed (you can reference Bespoke's country results for the previous decade) the US market and while clearly there was an element of hot money flows, fundamentals also mattered and whereas the fundamentals in these places are still healthy, but not without risk factors, it is reasonable to give the benefit of the doubt in a reasonable proportion.

I realize not everyone wants to think in five year increments but the context here is the ultimate goal of giving clients the best chance at having enough money when they need it which I believe minimizes the need to beat the market in a given quarter or given year and I am far from alone with this idea.

The picture comes via Barry Ritholtz and is the new Ferrari Hatchback!

4 comments:

Anonymous said...

Investors need to get past the mindset of us versus them. This is a global market and, I believe, one should be agnostic as to destination. Ford or Tata or Toyota? Teva or J&J or NVO? Copper or fertilizer or fish? The issue is which holding is best for one's portfolio, not whether one country or another has a stronger fundamental economic outlook (implosion excepted.)

Anonymous said...

.....and as the global market continues to grow, the U.S. is at a competitive disadvantage. The decline in U.S. living standard is inevitable.

Anonymous said...

I'd rename many emerging markets as developing/emerged, as opposed to post-industrial ones in the EU/US. One I'd not put in with these, though, is Russia for several reasons (corruption being the most prominent).

I put the smaller-returns timescale at 5-10 years, followed by a raging bull, by also looking back and forwards. This, IMO, would cover 80-90% of World equities at any one time as there's always a bull market somewhere.

I agree the US isn't going down the pan and would add it won't in our lifetimes or those of our children, notwithstanding freaky weather and a second term for a certain Muslim/Communist/Latest Nonsense Name.

BTW that Ferrari is pretty. Whatever next, Apple toilets?

Anonymous said...

Related to the concern that the US is no longer the premier investment destination, here is a link to a graphic of Obama's proposed 2012 budget that color codes increases and decreases:

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/newsgraphics/2011/0119-budget/index.html

Not highlighted in the article is the fact that 42% of the spending necessary for this proposed budget will be borrowed (thanks to the next generation of tax payers for their generous gift).

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