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Tuesday, February 01, 2011

The Concept of a "Number" for Retirement is Completely Bogus

Early in the day yesterday Carrie Pomerantz-Schwab from Charles Schwab INC and Barry Rand from AARP came on CNBC to talk about a new partnership to help people better prepare for retirement. In citing all sorts of grim statistics about how unprepared people are for retirement one in particular got me thinking, maybe flipped the switch on something. They said that only 55% are confident they know how much they will need to retire. Not know they will have enough but, as I read it, simply know what number they need to shoot for.

The math here is easy; the income you think you need in today's dollars divided by 0.04 (assumes the 4% rule) and then do a little spreadsheet work to figure for a reasonable rate of inflation and then maybe an extra cushion for one-off events. That would tell you what you need.

Do you observe any problems or flaws in the above paragraph? It relies on being generally correct about three predictions for the future, depending on your age--the distant future. There is more than a little folly embedded here. On the first assumption; you don't know what your life will be like in the future. On the second assumption; most people don't know more than economists and economists are wrong an awful lot. The third assumption also ties into the vagaries of life.

The last ten years has been a great lesson about the folly of stock market return assumptions. The US stock market had "bad" decades in the 1930s, 1970s and the 2000s. Once is an accident, twice is a coincidence and three times is a trend (I attribute that one to Chris Berman). If you are retiring at the end of the 1990s (and presumably reducing equity exposure or volatility a little) or the end of the 2000s is a matter of luck; the vagaries of life.

I guess I am saying more attention needs to be paid to the variables involved. This does not necessarily mean trying to predict your future so much as take to heart that every assumption could turn out to be very wrong. An annualized return of 5% versus an assumption of 6% combined with inflation of 4% versus an assumption of 3% doesn't sound like too much of a difference but it would be a dealbreaker.

I don't know what the stats are about how many people used to get pensions versus how many people now will not but we know that defined benefit plans are well on the way to extinction in business (and maybe on the way to failure for the various public pensions) to be replaced by defined contribution plans. There have not yet been that many people who've retired with 401ks and the majority of those who have did so in the last decade when domestic equity returns were lousy. In a way there is an argument to make that says defined contribution is an experiment that may or may not work out and there is evidence that the odds for success are not great.

So far this post probably seems like a downer but I don't view it that way. In this instance we have a better chance of overcoming obstacles by really understanding what the obstacles are. A financial plan is a roadmap that is crucial in that it gives you something to measure against just with no guarantee for success.

Long time readers will know my philosophies (if that is the best word) related to living below your means, saving aggressively and finding a way to make money after you "retire" doing something you love and would do for free.

As far as investing around so much long term uncertainty, this can be as simple or as complicated as someone wants to make it. At the moment that the portfolio becomes an income source it has a certain value. The value at the time may be what you hoped for or not but there is no amount of hoping that can change the value or the reality that goes with that value. Understanding this form of potential denial like pulling $10,000 out of a portfolio that can only sustain $5000 can stave off one type of problem.

There are countless ways to have success in the stock market, this blog is about one belief on how to do that, but we have less control over our long term result than we do over our savings rate. Over the long term most people will be lucky to be somewhat close to whatever the market does during their investing lifetime. If you are worried about what the US market might (not) do during the remainder of your accumulation phase then maybe the answer is to pick another market or another few markets. After all what is the S&P 500 if not a country fund?

12 comments:

WH said...

This is the link to the Bengen study published in the Journal of Financial Planning, the genesis of the 4% rule.

http://bit.ly/fSRn59

As with most pioneering work, it may seem simplistic when viewed through a rearview mirror, but I think most of what he presented is still valid within the constraints of the assumptions he makes.

Anonymous said...

I would love to see more discussion on asset alocations for the person who is going to retire in the near future. I see much being written about someone 20 years off. I suspect many of your readers are close or are retired and like to hear more about alocations. Do you fall into the camp dividend camp or the bond camp? I also agree with your comments around 4% or less being realistic.

Roger Nusbaum said...

anon I believe in the 4% rule with a little twist. whatever you have you can only take 1% per quarter. this could the payout volatile as a 10% drop in the portfolio would mean a 10% drop in your payout. In this light I would try to target 3% which could lessen volatility.

the "camp" I am in is a properly diversified portfolio with the proper asset allocation for your volatility tolerances and financial circumstance. If you "retire" at 65 and you parents are alive then you need a lot of equity exposure.

Stephen Drone said...

I have a number. I think it's about $17 million.

There seems to be more and more push behind the idea that you keep a "standard" portfolio, something like 60% equities/40% bonds or whatever you like, all the way up to and into retirement. Obviously, there's some leeway there. The general idea being that you need to keep growiong your nest egg. The risk of not having enough money for retirement is greater than the risk of portfolio loss.

Anonymous said...

I'm always interested in how others prepare for the future.

I have observed in our extended family that prudently investing for the future is a life style choice.

We have two great daughter's in law. Both are very well educated and well employed. Each of them has come to me for advice on investing. For both, spending on whims came from their home experience. Both of their parents lived high on the hog and now are faced with a somewhat bleak retirement. Two work at a Wal-Mart 40 hrs./week, hate it, and love to play the blame game.

IMO, breaking the habit of trinket accumulation is comparable to stopping drug abuse.

Remember that your children watch what you do, and setting a good example living beneath one's means will pay a huge dividend in the future for both you and your family.

T

Doug said...

Roger,

Of interest to your readers and yourself would be a book by C. Otar, a fee based advisor in Canada, called "Unveiling the Retirement Myth". His thesis takes issue with the typical methods of figuring out how much you need and how much you can withdraw and has many other important topics relevant to the age of retirement.

Steve Craven said...

Chris Berman may owe his idea to Ian Fleming, who said that if something happens once it is chance, twice is coincidence, but the third time is enemy action.

Kirk Kinder said...

Roger,

As a planner, I do provide a "number" to clients based on a discounted cash flow model I created. However, I provide a few numbers to provide context. I show a client what the number is if they are invested entirely in short term bonds (ideal situation where no equity would be needed but awfully high number) then a number with a 60/40 or 40/60 portfolio. I also use returns starting in 1970 and 1980. It shows the client how volatile investing can be and how retirement experiences differ by the secular trend.

Of course, you are right that we have no idea how much they will actually spend in retirement, especially for health care. However, clients like knowing an amount or number. It does give them something specific to work towards.

When I couple this process with Monte Carlo simulations and other methods, we can get a solid idea if the client is on track or way behind. Hate those way behind conversations.

Roger Nusbaum said...

T, trinket collection as an addiction, wow that is right for a lot of people.

Steve, I worded it that way as I did not think Boomer originated it--thanks for the citation.

KK, offering multiple numbers is what we do as well. A number as a benchamrk is one thing but as a holy grail is another is I guess my point.

Anonymous said...

Roger, what would a low risk portfolio yield in retirement managed by you? Assuming you have done the right thing with capital accumulation, and live well below the means of your current income.
Thanks,
Sam

Roger Nusbaum said...

Sam I think a specific answer would be a compliance issue in terms of creating sales literature. I think it is safe to say we often target 100 basis points or so over the S&P 500 for the equity portion of a diversified portfolio.

Anonymous said...

Thanks Roger.
Sam

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