If you thought Paul Farrell was a pessimist before then after reading this article from him you will look back on the others and view those as the musings of a cock-eyed optimist drinking Kudlow Kool-Aid.In his most recent he takes inspiration from Taleb's trust (almost) no one idea and lays out a scenario for the Fed to fail no later than 2020 under the weight of layers of corruption and conflicts that leads to class warfare and riots over food and water. If it is not clear his is talking about the US.
First things first the Fed as we know it (or think we know it) is the third central bank the US has had so the Fed failing one way or another would not be unprecedented and the reasons Farrell cites are close to the reasons why the first two shut down (per my limited understanding).
A modern failure of the Fed would certainly be disruptive in a meaningful way but as a practical matter would probably look more like a restructuring of some sort. The country would continue to have a central bank. During such a disruption I would expect just about every foreign market to panic down with the US market as a restructuring of the US central bank would reasonably scare the hell out of a lot of people.
In the article Farrell cites quotes from various people that were very wrong about the financial crisis including “Emerging markets are the global investors’ safe haven" from Worth (magazine?). Again were there to be a central bank failure I would expect most world markets to panic down right along with the US as in 2008. A realistic expectation for global diversification should not include completely missing a panic like 2008 or the crash of 1987.
I believe I set a reasonable goal for global investing before the crisis and have mentioned it many times since. In seeking out countries that offer the best chance of diversification I think you need countries that have different fundamental attributes than the US--they should also be relatively healthy and give some reasonable hope of doing well. In that light a realistic hope is that some countries with different attributes might turn down at a different time than the US, recover quicker, go down less or any combo of the three and there were many countries that did exactly this through the recent/current financial crisis.
The three that I wrote about most often in that context were Brazil, Chile and Norway. We know that the S&P 500 peaked in October 2007. Brazil and Norway peaked in May 2008; they generally kept going up for eight months past the US peak. Chile peaked about the same time as the US but only went down about 30% at its worst compared to 55% for the S&P 500. Chile is now about 40% above its old peak, Brazil is about 20% above its old peak while Norway is down a little less than 20% from its peak and the SPX is down around 26% from its peak.
There are many other examples of course but these are the ones I wrote about the most. In the face of another panic that might come about due to some fundamental shock, real or perceived, something similar will happen again in terms of other markets. Looking over the course of the last decade, as I have mentioned dozens of times, the US along with several other "important" markets were down for the decade while plenty of markets were up plenty--as I have said those countries went on without us and this effect would happen again. That is not to say it will necessarily be same ones, that is for you to sort out for yourself but it will happen.
There will always be an argument like the one Farrell is making and it will always be compelling to you on some level but the most extreme outcomes are incredibly rare although markets often brace for the absolute worst.
The picture is from the website of a company I was researching yesterday. I got a kick out of all those people standing in the bucket of the uber front loader.





17 comments:
Damn. So I'm guessing Paul votes Democrat? heheh
Roger,
yestarday I wrote a comment but my 6 year old son wanted my attention and inevertetely I erase it before clicking to post.
Perhaps you can take it into considiration if you want.
My point was that one should also study firms and pick the strongest in order to add alpha. For instance if one wanted to enter into drougmakers one can add Teva for it's growth and potential. Yourposts have been great for portfolio controction. tx
jeff from milan, italy
Roger,
I have said it before - this is a slow motion train wreck
It is way to early to talk to the end game. QE is a normal response by the fed. The question is will it go to far. I know we will all say it went to far one day, but if they stop it from going a lot further maybe we just muddle through and become a second rate power like the UK did a century ago.
Personally I am just looking forward to this cyclical bull market making me some money now. I will worry about where to put my money in a few years at some later date.
I am also looking forward to the socialist agenda in washington being slowed down
Jeff a reader left a comment on Seeking Alpha yesterday leaving a similar comment but went further to say just buy mega caps. Obviously no one would buy a company they think stinks but I would disagree with the other commenter.
anon, one difference (I think) between the US and your reference to the UK is that it appears as though we will have the strongest military for a long time and we are long way from falling to number two in terms of GDP (size not growth).
Roger,
If the dollar keeps falling in value (excessive QE) and emerging markets keep growing The US could fall to number 2 quicker than we expect, although I will admit it could take longer than 10 years.
None the less I think the argument is WHEN not IF the US will fall to number 2. I do not like this any more than other readers, but I feel I must try to remain objective.
Still I am focusing more on this current cyclical bull market continuation than the long run right now.
I don't think you can find anyone who will argue that the U.S. won't fall to #2.
Roger, you're #1 on the Seeking Alpha 100, congrats! Maybe that's not new but I just saw it this A.M.
Maybe PF is a little over the top but he is an antidote to the Kudlows and Abby Joseph Cohens of the world. Don't intend to be ghoulish, but I compare the U.S. situation to a dying patient who can remain stable for a long time but when the end is near it can happen very rapidly...
Mark from L-Ville
a sickly patient, sure..dying, well i hope not
thanks Mark
definitely not dying, but we will become 2nd rate similar to uk decline. it will seem slow until an instability develops down the road and then watch out
Roger,
tx,
An important factor is price of the stock.
How do you work that in your strategy. For instance SQM had gone to 42 then back down to 33 and now 49. At what point in your decision making do you buy.
Jeff From Milan, Italy
I get so tired of reading about the coming end of the world; it's really refreshing to read your blog. There will be ups and downs; deal with it!
I'm probably always going to have the vast majority of my investments in the US. I distrust our accounting standards and financial laws but distrust those in other countries more. Just my opinion.
Don, it's not the end of the world, only the end of what you're accustomed to. No offense.
don - spot on comment about accounting abroad. it is enough of a fairy tale here.
buy foriegn etfs not individual stocks to compensate.
get use to it the american century is over or nearly over
seg
I wonder if I could work part time with that front loader.
well that particular front loader is on another continent but if there is an open pit mine near you....then you too can drive a front loader bigger than most office buildings XD
The biggest difference between the UK and US is that our 52 commonwealth states (countries) are geographically separated and sought independence.
In contrast the US is rich in resources and most unlikely to see the 50 states breaking away (except maybe California through no fault of their own :)
Clive (London)
Whoops! Just seen on Wiki that the commonwealth is comprised of 54 states. Population (in 2005) of nearly 2 billion across 12 million square miles.
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