Each post highlighted thoughts on what to hold in a deflationary environment. Both posts listed cash as one holding. If (almost) everything drops in price then holding cash, even if it yields 5 basis points is a good hold. Cash is a good hold even if the US dollar drops versus other currencies, not the best hold maybe but a good hold. If you are worried about your brokerage firm failing and SIPC then you might want to put your cash into something like t-bills or the MINT ETF from PIMCO--unless you're worried about them failing.
Long term bonds also made the cut in both posts. This is fairly obvious in that if we do have deflation then interest rates won't be going up anytime soon and as low as they are could continue to to head lower making longer term bonds relatively attractive for the little bit of yield and potential price appreciation. A point I have made before is that while bond prices may not go down in the near term, anyone buying at these levels is buying high. If rates are at or near all time lows then by definition prices are high. We know prices can stay high for a long time but no one should lose sight of the fact that prices are very high.
There are obviously countless bond ETFs with the ones from iShares and Vanguard being the most popular. I would note that Schwab just came out with three treasury ETFs of its own that will attract a lot of assets thanks to free commissions. My own preference in the fixed income market is short term investment grade domestic corporates and short term foreign sovereign debt from countries like Norway, Australia, Denmark and Canada (these would be very difficult for individuals to access due to minimum order size requirements).
Dividend paying stocks are favored here as well. I think the idea is they will go down less. My suggestion would be to go with foreign dividend paying stocks. If a US deflation turns out to be as bad as Japan's deflation we know that many other countries will get a long just fine. The US got along just fine during the first eleven years of Japan's deflation. WisdomTree has a bunch of foreign dividend ETFs, iShares and PowerShares also have products in the space and you can find other funds with high yields that are not necessarily "dividend" funds. For example iShares Singapore(EWS) has a trailing yield of 3.05% and iShares Australia (EWA) has a trailing yield of 3.79%. A few clients own EWA as do I.
Additionally people can buy individual foreign stocks with high dividend yields. Obviously this requires work but there are plenty of ADRs both on the NYSE and the pinksheets to build into a diversified portfolio. Funds or stocks, anyone worried about deflation needs to look at Japan and get a grip on the potential of how much lower US stocks could go and avoid/invest accordingly, again if you think the US is headed toward deflation.
You can read both articles to get particulars on what other things they suggest investing in should there be deflation but let's ponder whether there will even be a meaningful deflation or just a couple of years of what might be a modestly deflationary environment. One thing that probably should be mentioned up front is what deflation is not. Deflation is not lower prices that come about through innovation and technology enhancements. This is an element of creative destruction.
Here are some notes from Marc Faber where he talks about inflation being more likely than deflation because of Bernanke's commitment, as he sees it, to print money for as long as it takes. He believes, among other things, that this effort will result in an even bigger financial crisis in the US but was not specific as to when this might happen. The Fed has taken inflationary steps but thus far these steps have not resulted in price inflation in the government stats but maybe there are subtle signs of inflation elsewhere. One thing is certain we are several years in to an asset price deflation in the US. The stock market and the housing market are both meaningfully lower since 2007 and what remains to be seen is whether this becomes a deflationary debt spiral spurred on, in part, by the writing down of a lot more debt.
I am reminded of a quote that I can only paraphrase which is that inflation is easy to create except when you really need it. Like now. If anyone knows who to attribute it to please leave a comment. I would note that whether or not Faber is correct about inflation some sort of big consequence from the action now being taken would be far from a black swan.
Here is a post from Matt Hougan citing a white paper from Vanguard saying not to worry about a bond bubble. If rates go up a lot then bond investors will get hurt badly; the longer a portfolio's duration the more hurt. I have no idea whether the word bubble would have any relevance should such a thing happen but as mentioned above, bond prices are very high and we also know the extent to which bond funds have had massive inflows going their way. The way to protect against something bad in the bond market hurting you is to keep maturities short. A portfolio favoring two-three year paper won't suffer large price drops should rates skyrocket, it would simply have a below market yield for a while.
This ties into an ongoing theme that predates this site which is need to transition more of the portfolio to other markets. I don't know if we are Japan in more magnitude, less magnitude or not at all but the US has been on a path of at the very least being a less compelling investment destination. The deterioration has been worse than I expected but to repeat from above many countries did very well in the 1990s as Japan went down, many countries did very well as the US went down last decade and many countries will do very well during this decade if the US continues to go down.
Now for a little bit of humor after such a heavy post; I mentioned a while ago that we built an outbuilding to be my office as my wife's work with United Animal Friends continually ramps up making our house smaller. I asked for input for a possible name for the shed without being able to settle on one I liked. I also asked my neighbor Barry who is pretty good with this stuff and he came up with De Rivatives Run Through It and Den Of Equities. While I think De Rivatives Run Through It is a little more clever it does have a negative connotation so Den Of Equities it is.For now it is a little sparse as there is not much more than a place to sit, the picture of Fenway that Costco put on canvas and the Hawaiana switchplate. The Sox game was on the DVR and watched well after the close.





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...and it seems like just yesterday that the guys who know it all were breathlessly predicting hyper-inflation. An investor could get seasick from the pundits rushing to the rails.
IMHO, a nicely diversified portfolio, without large bets in any direction, is the only way to navigate these waters. Increasing reliance on foreign securities, as you point out, makes a great deal of sense.
Meaty post, Roger, thanks.
Roger, Mike C, RW,
I am on vacation, and enjoying every minute with the kids. We are in a sea resort in Italy and the day sun and the night sea breese makes more enjoyable.
This year what I have noticed is that business here is hurting. There are half as many people vacationaing. It is sad, but I think many people are scared. Some big money are making big purchases like my wifes client who has just purchased two hotes at 30 mil Eur each. But the little guy is scared and is not spending anything. Actualy there was a report that some people stay home and make believe that they are on vacation. August is the month from the roman times where italians took summer vacation. Remember that conf.(russian) with taleb, hughes, and many others including faber. Well hughes was betting big on deflation. Taleb was betting a small amount on hiper inflation and marc faber on inflation. Well, Hughes and Minsh have been correct.
My system is sayung that we might go up until march/2011 to go down into 2011. Actually my program gave a sell signal on 23 april 2011 and on aug 6, 2010 has given another sell signal. I have converted 90% of Keo into cash(insurance) componet that makes 4.5% a year. Personal fund 96% cash and 4% italian equity.
Best,
Jeff From Milan, Italy
glad you're having a fun vacation
Investors may want to look at securities that have a floor yield with inflation-adjusted features such as PFK and METpA, high yield convertibles such as ADMpA and HIGpA or bond funds such as Templeton's GIM (foreign) and Vanguard's BSV (domestic).PRPFX is Cuggino's Permanent Portfolio.
There are many others, some better or worse. I own all of these- some more, others less.
T
many countries did very well in the 1990s as Japan went down
But had a Japanese investor looked for 'foreign' investments to save the day, the Yen near doubled relative to the US Dollar. Something of the order of 160 yen buying 1 USD in 1990, but each 1 USD only buying 80 Yen in 1995. Had a Japanese investor bought into US stocks then they would have had around a 13% yearly average headwind to overcome before seeing any benefit.
Had they invested in a US stock/bond 60/40 then potentially they'd have been no better off than having stayed in domestic stocks/bonds despite the US investments having performed relatively well.
but the SPX went up almost five fold in the 1990s
The Fed is pushing on a string. This is a classic debt deflation environment. Japan couldn't create inflation. The only inflation created during the Great Depression is when gold was confiscated and then FDR altered the price. Outside that, deflation ruled.
When you build up too much debt, deflation appears as the balance sheet is repaired.
Consider a contrived example of 100 Yen is equal to 100 USD and buys 1oz of gold.
One country say the US encounters deflation, the other (Japan) encounters inflation.
Inflation = things cost more tomorrow than they did today. Deflation = things cost less tomorrow than they did today.
After 5 years each 200 Ten buys 1 oz of gold. In the US it takes 50 USD to buy 1oz.
Stocks in Japan likely rose to counterbalance the inflation (plus maybe more) US stocks declined (or perhaps stayed level). Lets say the Japanese stocks double whilst the US stocks halve over the same period. 200 Yen buys 1oz gold, 50 USD buys 1 oz gold.
A US investor who saw deflation coming might have bought into Japanese shares, received 100 Yen for each 100 USD, and saw good growth in those investments relative to domestic stocks. On selling and returning the funds back into USD however each 200 Yen buys 50 USD. So even though the investment performed well the investor is worse off than had they stayed in cash as they'd have had 100 USD and could have bought 2 oz gold.
Cash in a deflationary period buys more over time, but stays level on a mathematical number basis. Moving from a domestic deflation market to a foreign inflation market will have currency exchange issues and may or may not do well depending upon the paritcular circumstances.
Like high inflation, high deflation is bad. A little inflation is seen as good, but so also is a little deflation. Deflation means that your cash buys more every day (slows growth because people put off doing things in anticipation of cheaper prices). With prolonged deflation however the put-offs fade and things still get done. For much of the earlier part of 1800's we had prolonged low deflation. Stocks/bond prices remained near flat (although zigzagged at times) yet companies still prospered.
but the SPX went up almost five fold in the 1990s
Which was a consequence from transitioning from the high base rates/inflation of the 1980's down to more modest rates. Get the timing right and, as you say you can do exceptionally well.
Consider however that between 1990 and 2008 (approx total annualised figures)
Japan stocks -2.9%, 10 year treasuries 4.1%, inflation 1.5%
US stocks 6.8%
Yen versus Dollar -2%
So a Japanese investor in US Stocks between 1990 and 2008 would have averaged 4.8% compared to 4.1% had they stayed in domestic 10 year treasuries.
The conditions over more recent decades have led us to the belief that stocks should be the predominant holding. Outside of that window and generally investing would be considered as holding a more balanced combination of assets. FWIW Here's my take on one such potential balanced investment approach.
http://www.jfholdings.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/
I wonder how long before Roger's wife wants to store a couple pallets of dogfood in the new office. :-)
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