Monday, September 21, 2009
Lee, Florida!
Over the weekend Barron's had an article about the real estate market in Florida. It covered a lot of ground with not a lot of depth but was interesting nonetheless.
One part that interested me was that "in Lee," that's Florida and the quotes will make sense in a moment, back in 2006 there were 12 homes for sale under $100,000 and today there are 4200 homes below $100,000.
Lee, FL is up near the Georgia border about halfway between Tallahassee and Jacksonville with biggest town nearby being Valdosta, GA. So it appears to be a small town with a couple of pretty big cities a couple of hours away. As someone who lives about a couple hours away from a big city that is a manageable situation in terms of access to certain services.
According to the town's website the population is 402. If the population is 402 then I doubt there are 4200 homes at for sale at any price. I think Barron's may have left out the word county which if that is the case then we are talking about Lee County Florida which is where Fort Myers is so the area is more populace with more services right there.
According to Realtor.com there are 214 single homes for sale in Fort Myers between $90,000 and $125,000. The 4200 number pertains to the entire county. That kind of supply below $100,000 makes for a very affordable retirement solution. A couple in their 50s from a bigger city elsewhere could easily have a home paid off that they could sell for $300,000-$400,000 to then buy a modest home (presumably a $300,000-$400,000 house in the Northeast would be modest and this would not represent an unreasonable downsizing) outright as mentioned above and have $200,000-$300,000 left over to add to their savings.
With what I have in mind an additional $200,000 would be a meaningful addition for this type of financial situation.
If somehow Barron's did mean the town of Lee, Realtor.com has ten listings with the range being $93,000-$259,000 before the price goes way up for enormous acreage.
Chances are there are plenty of locations around the country that are two hours drive from a big city that are very affordable places to live. This even applies to a place like Boston. Realtor.com has 62 listing in Pittsfield, MA (137 miles from Boston and 157 miles from New York City) below $150,000, 16 of them below $100,000.
If retirement for the boomer demographic stands to be as difficult as it appears then the very unoriginal idea of downsizing will be very important and can be done very thoughtfully. People with no ties to family can make this work in just about any type of climate they favor. In addition to Florida and the Northeast there are plenty of areas in the Mountain time zone where home prices are now quite low and relatively close to a big city, obviously the Midwest and even the Pacific Northwest.
For people with family obligations where a three hour plane rides are not a workable solution there are places like Pittsfield that are a reasonable drive from where someone might be relocating from.
The average 401k balance is in the $40,000-$50,000 range (anyone knowing the exact number, please). Replacing a $70,000 income (again a modest number) in retirement requires at least an $850,000 portfolio, assuming a combined social security benefit of $36,000 and if social security does go away or benefits are meaningfully reduced then what?
A lot of my content along these lines is based on trying to figure out innovative solutions to these sorts of issues. While I don't think of myself as having control issues the idea of success or failure of my financial plan relying on things totally beyond my control like whether social security and medicare will be there when my time comes is simply unacceptable without trying.
While posts about Ranchester, Wyoming or my 78 year old neighbor who does backhoe work may seem a little wacky I am convinced that successful retirement in the next couple of decades will require much more innovation than in the last few decades.
One part that interested me was that "in Lee," that's Florida and the quotes will make sense in a moment, back in 2006 there were 12 homes for sale under $100,000 and today there are 4200 homes below $100,000.
Lee, FL is up near the Georgia border about halfway between Tallahassee and Jacksonville with biggest town nearby being Valdosta, GA. So it appears to be a small town with a couple of pretty big cities a couple of hours away. As someone who lives about a couple hours away from a big city that is a manageable situation in terms of access to certain services.
According to the town's website the population is 402. If the population is 402 then I doubt there are 4200 homes at for sale at any price. I think Barron's may have left out the word county which if that is the case then we are talking about Lee County Florida which is where Fort Myers is so the area is more populace with more services right there.
According to Realtor.com there are 214 single homes for sale in Fort Myers between $90,000 and $125,000. The 4200 number pertains to the entire county. That kind of supply below $100,000 makes for a very affordable retirement solution. A couple in their 50s from a bigger city elsewhere could easily have a home paid off that they could sell for $300,000-$400,000 to then buy a modest home (presumably a $300,000-$400,000 house in the Northeast would be modest and this would not represent an unreasonable downsizing) outright as mentioned above and have $200,000-$300,000 left over to add to their savings.
With what I have in mind an additional $200,000 would be a meaningful addition for this type of financial situation.
If somehow Barron's did mean the town of Lee, Realtor.com has ten listings with the range being $93,000-$259,000 before the price goes way up for enormous acreage.
Chances are there are plenty of locations around the country that are two hours drive from a big city that are very affordable places to live. This even applies to a place like Boston. Realtor.com has 62 listing in Pittsfield, MA (137 miles from Boston and 157 miles from New York City) below $150,000, 16 of them below $100,000.
If retirement for the boomer demographic stands to be as difficult as it appears then the very unoriginal idea of downsizing will be very important and can be done very thoughtfully. People with no ties to family can make this work in just about any type of climate they favor. In addition to Florida and the Northeast there are plenty of areas in the Mountain time zone where home prices are now quite low and relatively close to a big city, obviously the Midwest and even the Pacific Northwest.
For people with family obligations where a three hour plane rides are not a workable solution there are places like Pittsfield that are a reasonable drive from where someone might be relocating from.
The average 401k balance is in the $40,000-$50,000 range (anyone knowing the exact number, please). Replacing a $70,000 income (again a modest number) in retirement requires at least an $850,000 portfolio, assuming a combined social security benefit of $36,000 and if social security does go away or benefits are meaningfully reduced then what?
A lot of my content along these lines is based on trying to figure out innovative solutions to these sorts of issues. While I don't think of myself as having control issues the idea of success or failure of my financial plan relying on things totally beyond my control like whether social security and medicare will be there when my time comes is simply unacceptable without trying.
While posts about Ranchester, Wyoming or my 78 year old neighbor who does backhoe work may seem a little wacky I am convinced that successful retirement in the next couple of decades will require much more innovation than in the last few decades.
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A real estate article that covered a lot of ground? lol! Very good.
I'm a retiree and can attest that your idea works. By moving from a large city with a higer cost of living, we've down-priced but actually up-sized. That's helpful when the kids come to mooch. By purchasing a newer home, we've also been able to sidestep some of the unexpected costs (e.g., a new roof) that crimped the budget in our former home.
I would add that there are difficult emotional issues in moving farther from family, downsizing from a nicer abode, and finally admitting that you really can't afford that retirement place with a view of the Gulf Of Mexico.
If someone in the northeast only has say 100k in their retirement account and can sell a 400k house for say 375k in a tough market they can buy a 100k retirement home in florida and pocket an additional 275k. While the total now 375k is not enough according to your calculations it is far far superior to 100k in the northeast where the cost of living is likely 20 to 30% higher and Florida has no income tax.
This is why I am optimistic in the long run for a perennial retirement favorite like Florida in spite of our current problems.
California on the other hand is doomed IMO. House prices are plunging but still much higher than everywhere else. CA taxes will discourage many people from moving there. Retirees who like CA are more likely to buy homes in Nevada and enjoy CA with an RV.
This debt-deflation problem will be with us for quite some time.
In addition to real estate prices when seeking that ideal relocation home:
Taxes in total (beware States with no income tax and a growing number of unsustainable social welfare issues).
Climate. Think "temperate" with four mild seasons, especially winter and summer, to diminish utility useage.
Water. Good and plentiful supply and price.
Air Transport reasonably close.
Medical facilities. Along with this, be aware of the potential for allergies.
Craftsman to repair things, especially vehicle repair.
Crime rate and the ability to protect oneself (fire, police or you).
School quality, public and private for resale value of the home.
Close to amenities you truly like, not ones that you THINK you will like.
Most importantly, making your relocation decision in total agreement with your spouse.
These are off the top of my head. I am sure there are others.
T
all crucial. for convenience I would want Costco (or the like), Walmart and Home Depot.
And a Bass Pro Shop :)
"For people with family obligations where a three hour plane rides are not a workable solution there are places like Pittsfield that are a reasonable drive from where someone might be relocating from."
This sentence made my brain hurt.
Worthy additions to my random list, gentlemen.
T
I would prefer somewhere as far away from Costco, Wal Mart, and Home Depot as possible. These are horrible places which are destroying our local industries and environment.
Gee, Mr. T and you guys just described CALIFORNIA !
I received an offer for long term care insurance today. It included a map of the US with average care costs printed on each state - I thought that Roger would love this for a retirement idea ;) Scanning the map it looks like New Orleans is the least expensive on average at $137/day. http://individual.jhltc.com/individual/flashPlayer.aspx?id=341
"if social security does go away or benefits are meaningfully reduced then what?" It is interesting that people tend to hypothesize that social security might disappear but our personal savings will still be available. Is anyone concerned that the government might instead try to claw back personal savings accounts through taxes or other means - in an effort to save social security and related programs? If so what measures have you taken (or considered)?
what the...no Prescott on the interactive map.
The clawback idea? One word; holy crap.
I dislike articles where little research is done. If you don't really know where this is, then find out before you publish!
what do i owe you exactly that you leave a comment like that with an exclamation point no less?
take your peculiar tantrum elsewhere.
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