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Thursday, July 30, 2009

More Stock Picking vs Fund Picking

GlobalTrends has a post adding to the ongoing debate about stock picking versus fund picking. Generally they come down on the side of using ETFs. My take has always been to use whatever you think is the best tool to capture whatever you want to capture. It doesn't make sense that one product/wrapper can be the single best way in to every asset class and market segment.

Obviously ETFs, maybe we should say exchange traded products, are covering more and more ground and covering it with useful products even if many of the funds never really catch on with the investing public. For a while I have expected that I will write a post one day called The Only Stock You'll Ever Need and be referring to the one part of the market still not covered by ETFs. I'm only half joking.

There are plenty of spots in the market not covered ETPs. I've been a big fan of Norway for years now. There is no ETF and I doubt there ever will be. There is the Fidelity Nordic Fund (FNORX) but that takes in at least four countries and being an open end fund you never know how much Norway you have today. While I could probably make an argument that these countries are preferable to the bigger countries in Europe, Swedish bank exposure to Latvia notwithstanding, Norway has specific attributes that I doubt the fund captures very often. Indeed the fund has lagged the OBX index at almost every turn in the last few years.

There are other potentially important, or maybe more correctly interesting, segments that ETFs may not be able to cover for a lack of stocks. A lot of the obscure market segments I have tried to explore fall under this description. I think owning a publicly traded exchange has some merit but the two ETFs that I am aware of with meaningful exposure also have a lot of investment bank (the former IBs anyway) and asset managers. These funds certainly offer differentiation from a mega cap sector fund that is top heavy with banks but if anyone wanted to go narrower they would have to buy a stock. There are ETFs with as few as 20 stocks but I do not know if there are even 20 exchange stocks.

In doing research on airports I have 14 added to a Yahoo watchlist. When I looked I found a few others that seemed to be listed but not trade (not sure what the story was) so while there may be 20 airports it would be a very difficult (read expensive) fund to run. Similar situation with toll roads. There are three in China (that I know of), several in Europe and then a bunch of strays here and there. What about Norwegian fisheries, they have skyrocketed this year. There's only four or five of them. They will skyrocket again at some point (not a near term prediction but a generic observation) and there will never be an ETF there obviously. Ditto farm stocks, one example being Black Earth Farms (BLERF).

Anyone who says investors don't need these sorts of things; I will generally concede the point. I'm not a believer in broad proclamations about what other people should or should not buy but I realize most folks are not inclined to spend the amount of time needed to choose one of these stocks.

These types of stocks allow a portfolio to look very little like the broad market which is at times exactly what is needed and why I devote any time to them. A lot of them got crushed in this bear market, so they were not an effective tool on this go around and I was lucky not own any airports or whatever. I believe the pounding that these segments took has a lot to do with the type of bear market we had. Many of the cash flow stories also have debt and need access to the debt market for capital intensive improvements and whatever else. The nature of this bear market impeded, either in reality or perception, that function thus many of the stocks were hit.

While I obviously have no way of knowing when this crisis will be solved it is a good bet that just as this bear market did not originate with excess in the tech sector the next one won't start with excessive and reckless lending into an overheated housing market.

I can't envision a scenario where I own all of these or even more than one but there is interesting potential with this. Working on the assumption that a combo of SPY, IWM and EFA will not cut it is becoming possible to build a portfolio with narrow based products capturing some very specific characteristics and precise weightings with 80-90% ETFs and then just a few stocks. For some people broad based only will always be the way and so this post is not for them. But to the extent that the investment world is evolving then the concept here could level the playing field some for people.

9 comments:

schtoonkmeyer said...

I have put together a modest Norway group: STO, NHYDY.PK, and YARIY.PK covering oil, minerals, and chemicals in that country. Note there are no banks, or other financial stocks, and all three are traded in the US.

Hope this helps.

Anonymous said...

Roger,

Is the 200 dma turning up? We keep getting positive info: golden cross, over 10% above 200 dma, etc.

when does this market become a full fledged buy?

Anonymous said...

You have stressed the importance of diversification of ALL kinds for a well-designed portfolio, including diversification in differnet types of economies. From yesterday's great discussion, you noted it's difficult to invest in Australia if one's portfolio already has enough banks and materials companies.

Other than banks and materials producers, what is so attractive about Australia? How about a stable democratic government with a stable currency. With this line of thinking, I am using Australia for my sovereign debt asset class. I have a position in FAX, which is 2/3 Australian debt and most of the rest in South Korea and Philippines. Is my thought process correct?

Roger Nusbaum said...

the first draw for me is that Australia has a different economic make up than the US which provides a better chance for diversification, been writign about that since day one. additionally it seems as though they do a very good job running things down there, no official recession since 1991 (this go around sure seemed recessionary but whatever) which i believe may be attributable in part to fewer moving parts. It just seems to run a little leaner and meaner.

As far as FAX, I own sovereign debt for some clients probably for many of the same reasons you own FAX.

jturner said...

Anyone on here surprised that the gold price is still not back above $1,000, as shown by http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601116&sid=aA3eLD2EZ5CM

jturner said...

Is anyone else here surprised that given all of this inflation talk the gold price is still not back above $1,000, as shown by Gold Price

Anonymous said...

Roger:
I've been studying utilities and was intrigued by ITC, which is an electrical transmission company that is positioning itself as a way to move power around to where it's needed. My question to you is whether this would qualify as an absolute return or alternative investment class holding. It has a relatively small but rising dividend, and seems to be dependent on power demand, but not energy pricing. your thoughts would be appreciated. I'm not looking for a recommendation, just guidance on the thought process of asset investment class.
Sam

Roger Nusbaum said...

this does not appear to be a different asset class or an absolute or alternative investment.

as a utility-ish stock it held up better most of the time but I would note that in about two weeks in Oct 2008 it fell from $51 to $35. granted that was a bad couple of weeks for the market but ITC was by no means immune.

i don't know anything about the stock but i do think i would think of it as a regular stock as opposed to anything else.

Anonymous said...

Thanks.
Sam

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