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Wednesday, April 01, 2009

Guru Roundup

Jimmy Rogers was on with Maria yesterday and although his message doesn't change very frequently (not a bad thing) I do think he is worth listening to.

He does not think equities have put in the bottom which I took as his expecting the stumble along the bottom to continue. If SPX 666 turns out to be the low it could still be a while before the market breaks through the upper band of the trading range, feel free to assign whatever number you want to upper band. He has been buying commodities still as he says that if stocks have bottomed commodities will lead the way out and if stocks have not bottomed commodities will not go down as much.

Maria asked if he is still buying agriculture which he took as agricultural commodities but I think Maria meant farmland. Buying farmland is something he just started talking about in the last couple of months or so-- long time readers may recall my writing about farmland stocks quite a while ago.

He said that the fundamentals are not improving for Citigroup (C) or General Motors (GM) but they are improving for commodities. He said banks everywhere are printing money which has always lead to higher prices. He thinks they are crazy for doing but he knows the end result; higher prices for all of us.

The only stocks he bought recently were in China back in October and November. He said that China has huge reserves for a rainy day and now they are starting to spend some of it. He said Singapore is in a similar situation as China but he did not say he bought any stocks from Singapore. He also said that China is not big enough to bail out the world or the US and he said you need to own the right sectors in China; if you sell to Walmart or Sears you are having trouble and it's going to get worse.

Kind of interesting to me is that his timing on China was similar to mine. I went back in a little earlier than him, after being out for just over a year. I have also been saying that I do not want exporters or financials from China. For the stock in question I was a clearly a few weeks early but the point is that after a market drops 60%, even if it is on its way 70%, it has discounted an awful lot of problems.

Next up is what I believe to be the latest portfolio allocation from the Harvard Management Company. Per that link it is allocated as follows; 34% of the portfolio in public equities, 17% in private equities, 18% in absolute return strategies (hedge funds), and 26% in real assets (real estate and natural resources). HMC CEO Jane Mendillo denied rumors that the endowment sold illiquid assets, presumably private equity investments, for pennies on the dollar.

Per the article the endowment was down 22% from June 2008- to October, the S&P 500 was down 24% during the same stretch. Obviously during that period of time just about every asset was down a lot and based on the above information it would seem that the HMC did not find too many hiding places for capital. I am a huge believer in owning some diversfiers but they are not the be all end all for every market scenario.

While I incorporate small allocations to those sorts of things and I do believe they smooth out the ride there is nothing wrong with overweighting cash every once in a while.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Roger, it's useless me trying to pick any bottom, top or valuation right now as I wouldn't know where to start. I want to put some cash into equities so I'd like to know WHEN you and/or my fellow long-term readers think I should.

I thought maybe if the S&P or Dow goes below a certain point, then I'll buy regardless of the fundamentals or my gut feelings. Maybe 700/7000. I'm probably going to choose an index tracker - maybe a World index or combination of several geographical places - and leave what I have left of my previous "investments" until/if they recover. They're very diversified and I'm bored thinkin' about 'em.

I've got a good 25 years until I retire and under 5% a year in a savings account is so dull I'd just spend it on women and beer. Hmm, I've got nothing in tech, maybe that's where I should start?
Thanks for the daily sensibleness.

Tim said...

Thanks for this Roger. Where is the bond exposure? Do you think they tucked that under Equities or Absolute Return? Pretty odd. I would have loved to have heard a better debate about owning illiquid assets in accounts used for operating budgets...lots of schools got bit with that one...the double shame is that it was so avoidable and now students are affected....

Anonymous said...

Good article on Q:
http://tinyurl.com/ddbhhq

Anonymous said...

That's QAI.

Stephen Drone said...

Tim - I was wondering about bond allocation as well.

I know nothing about Harvard's finances, but I still haven't figure why they put so much into things that can be more volatile that equities. I'd think they'd want to conserve money as much as they'd want to grow it.

AAlan said...

The omission of bonds is glaring, especially at a time when equities (public and private) are so risky. Perhaps that's what they decided to sell off for operating expenses, rather than selling assets that were bottoming.

Anonymous said...

IMO, bear markets are caused by two major elements: earnings decline and risk premiums increase. The combination of the two leads to severe bear markets.

When the economy and markets turn around the risk premiums can decline dramatically and very quickly and typically earnings rise dramatically as well because productivity goes way up during the early recovery phase.

So you can get huge price moves. Example July-August 1932 market went up 90% and for full 12 months up 163%. Other examples 1954 market up 53%, 58 up 43%, 75 market up 37% and so on.

Returns are not normally distributed, you have fat tails on both sides of the equation.

Mayos Noun said...

Hi Roger,

Have been thinking about this. Thanks for the timely post.

How about water?

Thanks,

Roger Nusbaum said...

I've owned PHO for most clients since it first listed. I wrote about it a few times but it has been a while since I last did.

Anonymous said...

Roger,
In response to this international economic downturn, which might be the worse since the 1930's, do you see other countries looking at other forms of government/business other than capitalism.

By the way, I don't believe we have a true "free-enterprise" system in this country. If you can make a widget for less, you can't go out on the street corner and start selling it.

Anonymous said...

Roger,
can you permit me to pose a question? What is the likelihood that the world will go back to gold standard due to the financial instability and the fact that every country that is in some sort of trouble is printing money?
Jeff from Milan Italy

P.S. in terms of the word lot that I had used, I did not mean as such, since I have lots of respect for you. It comes from that I lived in a neighbourhood where such language was used and getting back to English sometimes comes out some slang.

Roger Nusbaum said...

anon 107, i believe that the aspiration aspect of the dynamic makes that unlikely, that is many people around the world love the US culture (sports, movies, TV, iPods etc) even if they hate our policies, politics and blame us for the crisis.

Jeff, that one is outside my wheelhouse, all I can say is that aside from the regular logistical issues that might entail, trying to go back to a gold standard right after massively increasing the money supply by a huge magnitude seems nuts to me.

Anonymous said...

None of this really matters with what Obama and his economic crew ultimately have in mind for us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNjh-j1edJs&feature=related

Anonymous said...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover

worth reading...IMO


ZZ up 80% today...LOL
people buying extra ones to store
money.

Anonymous said...

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover

Anonymous said...

George Bush and Congress (Dems and GOP) destroyed America and dumped it on Obama to fix.

Jesus Christ could not fix the mess America is in.

After rich, white America sat blinded by SUVs while the super-rich stole all the money.

Then they elect the first black man as president to take the blame.

Classic America.

There is no free market, has not been since the 80s.

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