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Friday, January 23, 2009

Discerning & Sophisticated

The Oscar Rogers bit never gets old.

A reader pointed me to this post by Matt Hougan from IndexUniverse about more investment advisors using ETFs for their clients.

Matt opines that the model of relying on actively managed OEFs to generate alpha (so outsourcing alpha) for their clients won't cut it anymore. Matt goes on to say that with ETFs advisors can do a better job for their clients.

This reality of this is multi-faceted. One hand ETFs are merely a tool, a relatively new tool, which create flexibility for all sorts of things. I primarily use narrower ETFs for sector exposure for a couple of sectors usually in conjunction with a stock or two.

For example in the energy sector most clients have a combo of WisdomTree Energy (DKA) and one or two stocks. DKA makes up most of the sector because as the bull market wore on the sector got riskier so it made sense to me to go from all stocks to less single stock risk--so less risk in a possibly played out theme.

Other folks use broad-based ETFs as core holdings and there are countless other ways to use the product.

I can't disagree with Matt I just think there is more to it. One thing that an advisor can do, and from the top down point of view this might be more important that investment selection, is prevent a client from doing something stupid. Many people have done all sorts of research about how normal human thought process works against long term success with investing; behavioral finance. Most people are inclined to do the exact wrong thing which is why different studies show similar results about most actively managed mutual funds lagging the S&P 500 by a couple of percentage points but that the fund holders get about 1/3 the result because they buy and sell at precisely the wrong time and they repeat this behavior.

Simply avoiding stupidity (sorry to be blunt here) is likely more important than how much alpha is generated. Anyone who saves properly and can avoid stupidity has a good chance for having their financial plan work out and if an advisor accomplishes that I would say that is important.

As far as using ETFs to generate alpha in some way that is new, I guess I would say maybe but there are open ended mutual funds that offer many of the same things. The ETF could be a better wrapper (I believe this is generally true) but not always. I use OEFs for absolute return. There have been inverse and levered inverse OEFs trading for ages--again the ETF is a better wrapper but the concept has been available for a while.

More important than adding alpha I think is risk adjusted returns. Beating the market is not necessarily the appropriate goal. To pick an extreme example if your plan on relies on averaging 5% returns to work are you going to take the risk needed to average 20%? You might target more than 5% in that case but targeting 20% would not make sense. As a quick note, averaging 5 or 6 or 7 or whatever percent means you will have a couple of years where you are up 20% give or take because the market will have years where it goes up that much.

The concept of how much risk to take and where to take the risk is crucial to understand and ties in with Taleb's idea of 90% t-bills and taking a lot of risk with the other 10%. If you could get that 10% to double while taking no risk with the other 90% you would be getting all the return you need. Getting that 10% to double is no easy feat but it makes the point.

7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Very nice post Roger, coming from a buy and holder. Your idea of assembling a portfolio based on need, willingness, and ability to take risk is the hallmark of a professional advisor who puts the client's needs first.

"actively managed mutual funds lagging the S&P 500 by a couple of percentage points" has been shown to be the result of costs. Since all funds are the market, and the market has no costs, then it follows that the average fund will underperform by its cost.

Here's a very interesting study touching on risk adjusted returns by someone who posts at the Bogleheads site http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9445&mrr=1232710571. There are some interesting conclusions, which I am sure that you would probably not agree with.

Stephen Drone said...

Interesting. Last time you mentioned Taleb's idea, I didn't really follow up on it.

Vanguard's Short Term Treasury has a 10 year return of 4.96% (which I assume includes the runup in 2008).

If you assume you can get a 50% return on your 10% piece, your total portfolio annualized return comes right back to: 4.96%.

You'd probably do OK in retirement if you make sure you cut costs and social security is there. I'd have to think about that.

Roger Nusbaum said...

thanks anon, its not so much disagree as believe in precision to create effect within the portfolio to create a specific result.

SD, i'm not thinking about it it is more of a conceptual thing. I first clued into this idea about nine years ago when I heard the idea that 2% short nikkei futures and 98% cash delivered the same result as 100% long the S&P 500. I can't vouch for the numbers but the concept (even if the numbers were wrong) is what stuck. Hearing NNT talk about his version was simply a different path to the same place. it teaches, IMO, about allocating risk, ie risk budgeting.

Stephen Drone said...

Oh, I know. I just wanted to run a few numbers.

Anonymous said...

Attached is Time Magazine's recent ranking of the top 25 financial blogs. Personally I think it is a disservice that roger did not make it as I would rank him right iup there with Mish, Calculated Risk and the Big Picture.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1873144-1,00.html

Roger Nusbaum said...

thanks for the kind word

Anonymous said...

Selfishly, I'd prefer that Roger stay undiscovered :)

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