Thursday, October 02, 2008
Very Difficult Trade
Yesterday, mid day, I sold half of my SDS across the board.
As I sat there with my finger literally on the button the SPX was between 1150 and 1155. At that level it was down 26.5% from the peak of 1565. I don't think I would get much of an argument in saying 26.5% is down a lot.
Sentiment stinks, no one has faith in anything, the consequences from all the stuff happening will be bad, you can't swing a dead terrorist without hitting a bailout (or similar action), the house of representatives acted as childish as I can ever recall (I don't follow politics that closely however), the US and global financial systems are under siege and there is more.
Getting less short after a 26.5% drop in the broad market is not the worst possible trade (hopefully I am not proven wrong). Selling half of SDS does not radically change the defensive nature of the portfolio but if it tanks again clients will feel it more than before. I had my finger on the button for something similar Monday toward the close but did not do it, I was expecting/hoping for follow through Tuesday morning at which point I would have sold it all.
I think in terms of price we may be close to the bottom (my assumption all along has been SPX 1095), in terms of time I think, perhaps too optimistically, that things could start to turn up in Q2 2009. I also think that passing of a bailout (don't confuse that with my thinking it is a good idea or that it is well constructed) will dampen the volatility that we have seen lately.
This trade was difficult because obviously SDS has, IMO, done its job throughout this bear and by selling half (subject to rounding) I have less protection at a time when things are all hitting the fan at once.
So this move was part contrarian, part having seen the market do this before and maybe a couple of other things. If it turns out to be wrong, the remaining shares will grow relative to the portfolio on the way down just as was the case before.
With no other details, the idea of being less hedged after such a big drop does make sense. I mentioned the other day about times like now being more difficult to operate in. For some folks that might mean hanging in there at a tough time, or maybe taking some hedge off after a huge drop. I think if you can do the tough thing more often than not you have a very good shot at long term success.
As I sat there with my finger literally on the button the SPX was between 1150 and 1155. At that level it was down 26.5% from the peak of 1565. I don't think I would get much of an argument in saying 26.5% is down a lot.
Sentiment stinks, no one has faith in anything, the consequences from all the stuff happening will be bad, you can't swing a dead terrorist without hitting a bailout (or similar action), the house of representatives acted as childish as I can ever recall (I don't follow politics that closely however), the US and global financial systems are under siege and there is more.
Getting less short after a 26.5% drop in the broad market is not the worst possible trade (hopefully I am not proven wrong). Selling half of SDS does not radically change the defensive nature of the portfolio but if it tanks again clients will feel it more than before. I had my finger on the button for something similar Monday toward the close but did not do it, I was expecting/hoping for follow through Tuesday morning at which point I would have sold it all.
I think in terms of price we may be close to the bottom (my assumption all along has been SPX 1095), in terms of time I think, perhaps too optimistically, that things could start to turn up in Q2 2009. I also think that passing of a bailout (don't confuse that with my thinking it is a good idea or that it is well constructed) will dampen the volatility that we have seen lately.
This trade was difficult because obviously SDS has, IMO, done its job throughout this bear and by selling half (subject to rounding) I have less protection at a time when things are all hitting the fan at once.
So this move was part contrarian, part having seen the market do this before and maybe a couple of other things. If it turns out to be wrong, the remaining shares will grow relative to the portfolio on the way down just as was the case before.
With no other details, the idea of being less hedged after such a big drop does make sense. I mentioned the other day about times like now being more difficult to operate in. For some folks that might mean hanging in there at a tough time, or maybe taking some hedge off after a huge drop. I think if you can do the tough thing more often than not you have a very good shot at long term success.
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I admire you for having the courage of your convictions, Roger. Thanks for a peek under the curtain.
sounds like you are getting ready to put some of the $ from SDS
to work or ?
thanks
wouldn't go that far.
one thing i don't think is articulated but more implied in the post.
a market has less risk of falling a lot after it has fallen a lot; more Master Po? lol
as I look today the S+p 500 is close to the 1100 support area and next layer is down around 800 which would be another 25+%. When your in the market, even defensivly, it doesn't seem to matter. Best that we can hope is for S+P to hold above 1100. I don't know how to hedge down here.
Ron
Despite this morning's downturn I consider this a possible intermediate bottom at least. It's hard to imagine no rise in equities given the amount of money already pumped into the system with the bailout scheduled to add even more w/ a likely rate cut on top of that but it's also hard to imagine a sustainable lift given all the other problems out there (the ISM data being the most recent example of a stream of bad news that just keeps on giving).
Tough call either way, very hard to read this mess and the political shenanigans sure aren't helping much which is why so many are just fleeing to t-bills. I liquidated SKF because I didn't trust it to track its index accurately any more but did keep SDS and QID (small) hedges up. The manufacturing news has made SMN very hot but I consider that a trade more than a long-hedge.
Sometimes it's a glide, other-times it's a slog.
Selling SDS seems to have had the same effect as posting a picture of Skeletor :-)
maybe posting an upside down picture of Skeletor could turn things around?
S+P 500 now at 1114 and 1100 is next level of support till 800. If we get to 800 it would be a (48%) drop from Oct 2007 high. I believe that would be what was experienced in 1970's. That took 6 years to recover. Might we find that's what we might be facing?
Ron
nothing until 800? yikes
it happened in the 70s you say? it also happened in this decade.
Much faster in 73-74, this decade it took 4 years. We don't know how longf this one will be, like 73-74 or this decade.
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