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Thursday, October 18, 2007

I don't understand your emerging market portfolio strategy


So says a reader who does not understand how I can have no China, he says I have cost my clients dearly.

From the top down, emerging markets is an asset class that has a place in diversified portfolios. Generally speaking, equalweight is somewhere in the neighborhood of 7-8%.

The first step is to assess whether you think overweight, equalweight or underweight is the best posture. Emerging markets have been white hot for several years now. Money is pouring in very aggressively chasing the great returns.

When I started this site three years ago I was overweight the space as it was a less popular trade back then. More recently I have chosen to be closer to equalweight because of the huge run and the popularity of the trade. It just seems late to be overweight. If emerging markets double from here in the next 12 months and equalweight would participate very nicely.

From a more bottoms up approach PE ratios are much higher than they used to be. I have seen estimates ranging from 15-18 times earnings. A few years ago PE ratios were in the single digits as a means of compensation for the risk taken. PE ratios are not necessarily helpful to predict what comes next but in terms of valuation they have become much more expensive. This is the type of thing that could reasonably evolve slowly over time but the trend in emerging market PEs has not been slow.

So once the over/equal/under decision has been made (and to be clear for me now the answer is equal-ish) you need to decide what you think is the best way to capture the space. Emerging markets are more volatile than domestic stocks. When you add emerging you are adding volatility. Given my belief that the move is long in the tooth I don't want to add a lot of volatility relative to emerging.

This leads me to the most common positioning amongst clients which is one broad-based ETF and one stock from Brazil (some clients have one or two other items depending on the circumstance of that client). The broad based ETF is up 50% YTD (a little better than roughly the roughly 40% that EEM is up) and the common stock from Brazil is up about 130% YTD.

The one Brazil stock is up more than iShares China (FXI) which is up just under 100% YTD, Sinopec (SNP) up just under 100% YTD, Petrochina (PTR) up 80%, China Mobile (CHL) up about the same as my Brazilian stock. No doubt there are smaller Chinese stocks that are up more than 130% but I do believe the reader's notion that I have cost my clients dearly has been refuted.

If I had held onto a Chinese stock instead of the Brazilian name it would have been at the same weight as the Brazilian name.

Brazil gets a lot of attention but China gets a lot more and I feel the recent action in those stocks is much more dangerous than what is going on in Brazil. As I believe I mentioned the other day the market caps in some of the Chinese names are huge. What I believe I have done with this decision is get a similar result to the hottest market without being in the hottest market. If China does ever implode maybe Brazil would drop by a smaller amount?

Oh and of course the broad based ETF I use has a little China in it too. I couldn't figure out how to work this in naturally up above but I own CHL for one or two clients.

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi Roger,

When looking at the components of two different ETF's BIK and EEB, I noticed they both hold China Mobile.

I also noticed that one of them lists it as China Mobile Ltd. ADR (China), and the other just China Mobile(Hong Kong). What is the difference here, and which do your prefer BIK or EEB?

Thanks

Leisa said...

I actually think that it is pretty audacious to even ask the question that you were generous enough to answer. I still cannot get over the how can you serve your clients when you are fighting forest fires.

Sigh. I think the east coast will all be on fire soon if we do not get some much needed rain.

Roger Nusbaum said...

as a component of a fund the diff in holding is probably not that great but i would think that trading the ord would be more expensive.

Leisa, we only have wildfires after the close, lol.

Roger Nusbaum said...

oh, and as far as BIK versus EEB, since I don't own either one I don't have an opinion.

Gootch said...

Interesting post, Roger. Can you share which emerging markets ETF you're talking about in this post? I'm relatively new to your site... do you publish your holdings anywhere?

Roger Nusbaum said...

look at the previous post.

Anonymous said...

I notice your antagonist is choosing not to mention your double short today. Maybe we're down cause the east coast brokers are out clearing vegetation for fire breaks.
charlie

Roger Nusbaum said...

lol, they use a lot of dozers to clear fire lines this back east. the chance to play on any type of big equipment like that would probably keep me away too

Anonymous said...

Good thing you weren't margined to China ETF's today or your clients would have seen their portfolios down 10%. Nice job Roger and do not let the naysayers get to ya.

Roger Nusbaum said...

thank you. as far as naysayers; highschool sports, fraternity, five seasons of firefighting and more than that working in one type of trading room or another...there is no upsetting me but i will say sometimes i can't do any better than jerk store, lol

H.MARR said...

HI ROGER, NEVER MISS YOUR BLOG. WISH I COULD SIPHON ALL YOU KNOW, ABOUT INVESTING,INTO MY HEAD!
TOTALLY UNRELATED, IS "ARCOSANTI" PAOLO SOLERI'S "ARCOLOGY" STILL IN PRESCOTT? I SAW AN EXPOSITION AT THE WHITNEY YEARS (AND YEARS)AGO ON HIS CONCPPTS.
ALSO ARE YOU AVAILABLE TO MANAGE, SAY..... SOME OF MY MONEY?
CANT SEEM TO EMAIL YOU.

Anonymous said...

Rog baby,

so many words, so little data....

it was a simple question which you apparently cannot give a simple answer to...

what is your exposure to china right now? zero? 1 percent? do you even know?

and, rog baby, why confuse the issue with Brazil or other emerging markets? Brazil isn't china...or india..or russia..

and your double short is still sucking wind big time....

do people really pay for all this wordiness, and such below average performance????

Roger Nusbaum said...

ARCOSANTI is still there but it isn't quite Prescott. It is where highway 17 meets highway 69.


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Anonymous said...

anon 5:17,

Why so cranky? You should be down a bit less today on your huge double-short position.

Oh, wait. You probably capitulated and dumped it back on 10/11. Ouch!

Anonymous said...

anon 517,
take a hike piker.

Anonymous said...

Roger, the crabby, needling, nose-picking piker is right in this case.

I cannot imagine anyone, at least one who preaches the notion of portfolio diversification and clients' best interests, would suddenly decide to recommend Brazil over China, short term or long term.

Why not hire a monkey to advise?

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