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Sunday, September 23, 2007

Sunday Morning Coffee

Reader BillB left a question about the notion of buying the best within a sector and forgetting about sector ETFs. He says he has heard many talking heads say this matter of factly but he doubts it is as easy as they say.

He further asks me if the stocks I hold are "the best" and do I compare stocks I use to their respective sectors to measure performance.

OK there's a lot here.

"The best" is for me an incomplete description. I think of it more in terms the best way to capture a desired effect or narrow theme. At different points in the cycle the best way to capture certain things will change. Using financials as an example I have disclosed being underweight and own foreign high yielding banks in an effort to reduce volatility in a sector I expect to struggle.

When the yield curve goes right side up the best way to build exposure will change. Adding volatility and more domestic exposure will make sense at that point, whenever it comes.

The market is always changing but it doesn't change so fast that you need major portfolio upheaval every quarter. As it changes slowly over time, the yield curve being a good example, portfolio changes need to be made.

I believe in top down portfolio construction which means that getting the sector right is more important than stock selection. Obviously this won't be the case 100% of the time but it is right often enough for me. So owning a sector ETF as a proxy for a sector (for those that construct their portfolios at the sector level) is not a bad idea. In terms of short term results it seems fairly obvious that at times a stock would be the better choice and at other times the ETF would be better.

There are some stocks that can be bought probably held forever. Anyone think buying an appropriate amount of Johnson & Johnson (client holding) is a reckless idea? It won't always be the best stock but over time it goes up and increases its dividend. There are other stocks like this. If you own a portfolio with a bunch of names like this you still need to pay attention as a couple of them will need to be sold at some point but most will not, I'm sure one time Dow component American Twine was a hold forever type of name.

However if all you own are "best of breed" you probably don't have a properly diversified portfolio. Being diversified has to include small cap, emerging market and perhaps a lottery ticket idea. Maybe this is where ETFs can come in.

As far as measuring performance at the sector level, I'm not sure I have a useful answer. I know what stocks are doing well or are struggling at any given time but struggling does not always mean the same thing. Going back to financials, only one bank that I own is making new highs. The rest, like most of the sector, are struggling. They've bounced some but this is a bad time for the sector. The important decision was made months ago; be underweight the sector.

If I owned an oil stock that was really lagging the sector (I don't, but there must be some) I might consider getting rid of that one. This has been a great few years for energy stocks. A stock that had not participated in that would seem to have something wrong even if I couldn't figure out the problem.

In reading emails and comments, meeting and talking to other money managers and the feedback we have received from clients I have come to learn that my approach to building and managing portfolios has a lot of subtleties embedded which can be difficult to articulate. The subject matter of this post might fall into the difficult to articulate category.

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15 comments:

Anonymous said...

^How's getting up at 630 on a Sunday to anonymously bait the author?

Get a life. Yeesh.

Anonymous said...

It must be some failing on my part, but I cannot comprehend the joy, or the rush, or even the incentive to anonymously bait the author of a relatively conservative financial blog.

Since the baiting is done anonymously, there can't be much of an "I'm smarter than you" incentive. A rational person would just come to the conclusion the blog has nothing to offer and not bother to return.

Could there be any motive I am missing here? Is it fun in some weird way? Or, is it merely a character flaw?

Rick Caird

Bill B said...

Roger, thanks for addressing that question and I think I understand your approach, although I'm not entirely sure (I'm going to read your post for a third time, I'm a little slow). One thing I was getting at is maybe you sharing some of your criteria for identifying best of breed. They're always saying "just buy the best of breed", yet no one seems to mention their criteria for doing as such. Let's be clear though, I don't think there is anything written in stone about identifying these best of breed stocks, I was just curious as to what you take into consideration. I have my own set of criteria as well.

Bill B said...

If I had to guess, I think the baiting is done by someone who is losing money who will undoubtedly post that they are indeed making more money than all of us combined. It's usually best to ignore these folks and they eventually go away.

Anonymous said...

Let's get real...how about that first sexual experience...or that girl that dumped you in high school?

charlie

Roger Nusbaum said...

weehaa, long hike this morning. not much is better than finishing a hike, coming back to some football and an iced mocha.

BillB, this is tough because i don't think best of breed, i think best proxy. This might be a top down thing.

I mentioned owning JNJ; most people probably think of that as best of breed and I doubt I will ever need to sell it. What about CVRD (RIO)? As Brazilian stocks go, I suppose it could be thought if as best of breed? I'm not sure.

I wanted Brazil for some clients. Right away I knew I did not want banks. The country is known for resources so it made sense to me to pick from resource stocks. So not too many choices. I didn't need the hottest potato I could find so the got rid of some others. That probably left me with two choices to really try to learn; RIO and PBR.

In being top down,that tends to narrow the field for a lot of specific themes.

Several years back I had to choose a big cap domestic bank stock. That field was not so narrow and took more time. A lot of people lean to Citi, I went with previously disclosed BAC. I will tell you that part of the decision came from a gut feel. BAC has been a better performer in the roughly four years that I have owned it. I was clearly more comfortable with BAC at the time but I cannot rule out luck either.

Probably not answering the question real well but it does sort of get at some of what I try to do.

Bill B said...

Actually, that made the point crystal clear. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

I have ben pondering a question regarding ETFs. what attracted me to the concept was in major part getting off the volitilty train. However, broad based ETFs, Dow 500 etc.,seem to be as volitle as individual stocks if not in some cases more so. Any comments

tom k said...

I just read an interesting article by Jason Goefert (of sentimentrader.com) on the historical tendencies markets exhibit after a first Discount Rate cut (after a period of raising them). Goefert looked at 8 occurances since 1971 and the charts/returns of DJIA, U.S. Dollar Index, Gold, and the CRB Commmodities Index one year after each rate cut.

Stocks were up 7 out of 8 occasions.
The US Dollar was up 6 out of 8.
Gold and Commodities were higher only twice out of 8.

Granted, 8 instances might not be enough to be statistically significant, but Goefert's point is the conventional wisdom (rate cuts are good for gold and bad for the dollar) have been mostly wrong over the past 35 years.

Here are the one year average returns for each asset class if you're interested:

DJIA: +18.8%
USD: +4.5%
GOLD: -5.4%
CRB: -6.2%

Bill B said...

Tom, in addition take a look over here. If you're a contrarian, the dollar is at historic lows against gold (not really news), but along the lines of your findings, it might be a good time for a long term investment in the U.S. dollar. It's just interesting to see the chart against gold and we're quite literally at the bottom.

tom k said...

Bill B, thanks for the link. I have a hunch the dollar may be very close to a bottom. That doesn't mean I believe it's a good long bet, but I think the dollar is a very bad short bet at this time.

HoosierDaddy said...

I'd be leery of being too brave picking stocks with investing as a sideline. I just don't have the time to dig through 10Ks and really get my head around businesses in several different sectors to build a decent portfolio of say 20-30 stocks. I could see using ETFs or cheap funds to build a wide base and then pursue one or two ideas on an individual stock level where I thought I might have some insight.

Anonymous said...

Either go long the dollar or short the dollar. One cannot have it both ways.

T said...

Roger has one of, if not the best, balanced and crafted financial blogs in the Kingdom. Many of us like to take our pokes at others contributing what we think is nonsense, but Roger keeps this blog on course. Kind of like a Ghandi in a sea stocked with a few of Ron Paul/Dennis Kucinich ingrates.

Roger Nusbaum said...

thank you T

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