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Sunday, February 26, 2006

More Emerging Market Commentary

Regular reader, Jay Walker, who has a pretty good blog of his own, left the following comment on a recent post;

I don't see the same for many emerging markets - some, like Russia, Brazil and Korea are all expected to have earnings growth exceeding 12% or so this year, and all have a pe ratio (for their national stock market) below 12.

In my view, that's good growth, that can be acquired cheaply. A winning combination, I think. Better than investing in the S&P500 at 18pe with expected earnings growth maybe - maybe - getting to 10% this year.

I think the right type of investor just HAS to look at some of the better emerging markets.

A couple of things I would note; first most emerging markets are always much cheaper than the US. A market that always trades at ten times earnings is not that cheap, however, at when it is trading at ten times. It is cheaper, which is not a bad thing, but not necessarily cheap. A lot of emerging markets have traded in the single digits versus their earnings. In the last couple of years a lot of emerging markets have become more expensive, relative to the last 15 years. If you are a value investor, you may want to study this a bit more.

I would also add that P/E ratios are not great predictors of future moves. P/E ratios do offer more room for cushioning the blow from a mistake or other downturn.

Also important would be country selection. Jay mentions Russia, Brazil and Korea. The three are all much different from each other.

Russia is obviously resource-rich. It has a type of political risk that is unique (IMO) to other countries, they have surprised the world before and probably will again.

Korea is more thought of as manufacturing stuff for electronics. I would classify their exports along these lines of what the world wants. Who doesn't want a new TV or digital camera and so on?

Although it does not get talked about much, Korea has some issues with consumer indebtedness that may or may not create a problem for the country. If you have an interest in owning Korea, I would suggest studying this more.

Brazil is more known for producing what the world needs. After the white-hot run for most emerging markets I think countries like Brazil will be relatively less risky. Growing demand for natural resources creates a strong, investment tailwind.

On Cavuto On Business, Dani Hughes said she was taking a page from John Rutledge's playbook and going with an emerging market ETF, the Morgan Stanley Emerging Market Fund (MSF). You can decide for yourself how important it is that she may not know the difference between an ETF and a CEF, which is what her selection is.

MSF has done well at capturing the asset class. Over the last three years it performance has been very similar to the iShares Emerging Market Fund (EEM). The biggest disadvantage of MSF is probably some of the larger taxable distributions it has paid over the last few years. Watch out if you buy it in taxable account.

I can't recall Ms. Hughes having mentioned emerging markets before (anyone feel free to jump in to correct me). If we see a lot of people that have not been talking about emerging markets start to get excited about them, watch out. We are already seeing some additional TV coverage and otherwise giddy talk about them. One thing we can bet on is that main-stream-media will never see a major top coming.

9 comments:

petronius said...

The question is whether commodity prices have already peaked. If in fact they have, some of these emerging growth economies may slow, which could lead to a significant slowdown in demand for emerging market ETFs. Anyone who is planning to invest more than 5% of their portfolio in this sector may want to closely study the CRB index.

Jay Walker said...

Thanks kindly for your comments and link Roger.

I certainly agree with your comments regarding the various risks in the different markets - especially Russia, where the political risk remains far above average.

Korea, I think, will sort itself out favorably. And as you point out, buying good growth at a low pe does allow for a cushioning effect, should I happen to be wrong.

US investing obviously too has some risks at this time, given the very large current account and fiscal deficits that overhang a strong economic foundation.

I think we're on the same page here generally; make sure you have some diversification so you can allow for mistakes and look for themes that you think offer favorable advantage.

Thanks again Roger,

Jay Walker

Andrew said...

Although valuations for emerging markets as a whole still look fairly reasonable, there are a few countries where they seem stretched: I've seen several reports saying India now has an average P/E of 19 (!), or the same as the US.

It's interesting to note that the two main emerging-markets ETFs out there now have signficantly different valuations, according to Morningstar's portfolio tools. The iShares EEM is 15.22 times trailing earnings and 13.92 times forward earnings, while the Vanguard VWO is at 12.46 times trailing earnings and 11.40 times forward.

As far as I can tell the only major difference between the two is that EEM has about 5% of assets in Russia, while VWO has none. I don't know what the P/E is for Russian market - probably pretty high if enough to skew the whole fund - but local regulators recently got a lot of attention for saying the rise in the stock market has gone beyond what fundamentals warrant.

neil said...

Andrew, the P/E for Russia is actually pretty low. There are two closed end funds with a majority of their holdings in Russian equities, CEE and RNE. CEE has a P/E of 3.75, and RNE 5.83. So I would guess the reason EEM has a higher P/E than VWO is due to industry weighting. EEM appears to have more tech stocks.

Anonymous said...

I have been looking at the ishares MSCI Brazil ETF. The share price has gone from about 15 to over 40 in the last two years, yet its current trailing PE is only 9.23. How can this be? I'm tempted to buy this ETF cuz its been going up so much, but I've been holding off cuz I simply don't understand it. Can someone fill me in?

Roger Nusbaum said...

Earnings growth due primarliy to higher commodity prices.

Emerging markets generally have low PE ratios as a way to compensate risk

Anonymous said...

Hi Roger. Thanks for your response! Do you know if a Brazil PE of 9.23 would be the equivalent of some very high PE (say 25 or higher for S&P 500) in the US?

Roger Nusbaum said...

i do not.

call your broker and ask them to use the P/E function on a Bloomberg Terminal for the Bovespa.

I think you wil find that it has spent some time with a PE of six or so at one point, but I am not postive.

Anonymous said...

Hi Roger. Thanks again! It's interesting that many "market experts" write articles about the low PE ratios in foreign markets but they don't qualify their remarks by mentioning that these low PEs are only low relative to the US, maybe not to their own market's historical PE. Hmm...I still feel uncomrtable about investing in foreign markets. I know a lot of people say to invest in them cuz they sometimes move in the opposite direction from US, so they cushion your portfolio if US mkt goes down ... but by the same token they would drag down your portfolio in the reverse situation. I guess if you don't like volatility that might be a reason to invest in foreign mkts.

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